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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Remember that although it would be idealistic to run all liaisons on electric, marketing-wise it doesn't give anything to the manufacturers because it's rare that cars are spectated on liaisons, except for cities and service parks - which are going to be run on electric motor in the 2022 rules! And for sure the WRC Promoter will require plenty of footage of this to the WRC+ highlights
    I thought it over (blink to Mirek ) and still don´t see why not? @AnttiL I would say it´s not what spectators can see on liason, it´s about what marketing people will do about it. advertisings etz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Besides the power boost on the stages, the hybrid system is also required to be used in electric mode inside urban areas on the liaisons.

    You can check page 18 of the PDF or take Matton’s words to wrc.com: https://www.wrc.com/en/news/season-2...-a-generation/
    Short range on electricity is probably possible but remember that in WRC liaisons are up to several hundred kilometers long.

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    I thought it over (blink to Mirek ) and still don´t see why not?
    Count with me. If you go for two hours at an average 20 kW power (no idea how much WRC in average need on the liaison but let's take Tesla S value as a very rough example), you need 40 kWh plus some reserve, so let's say 50 kWh. The best Tesla batteries have 160 Wh/kg. That means for two hours of very energy-effective driving you need 312 kg of batteries! Now take into account that longer liaisons than that exist in WRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Short range on electricity is probably possible but remember that in WRC liaisons are up to several hundred kilometers long.



    Count with me. If you go for two hours at an average 20 kW power (no idea how much WRC in average need on the liaison but let's take Tesla S value as a very rough example), you need 40 kWh plus some reserve, so let's say 50 kWh. The best Tesla batteries have 160 Wh/kg. That means for two hours of very energy-effective driving you need 312 kg of batteries! Now take into account that longer liaisons than that exist in WRC.
    For sure you are right about that. But still, must it be the digital way? 1? or 0?
    There should be ways in the middle. You know Swedish word "lagom"?
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    Everything is negotiable. The routes of the rallies could be changed with shorter liaisons and/or remote charging stations added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    ? @AnttiL I would say it´s not what spectators can see on liason, it´s about what marketing people will do about it. advertisings etz...
    Yeah, and if we have a light hybrid system, the cars resemble the manufacturer hybrid models and WRC+ shows footage of the cars entering the service park or going through a city silently, the marketing department is satisfied. No need for heavy battery packs or remote charging stations to get through hundreds of kilometres of liaison. Also the actual sport is affected as little as possible (could we still see someone retire because of the hybrid system failing?)

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    Guys, when you talk about silence and marketing, you do realise the silent film era died nearly a century ago for a good reason. People like sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franky View Post
    Guys, when you talk about silence and marketing, you do realise the silent film era died nearly a century ago for a good reason. People like sound.
    So we should just turn WRC+ into silent films and say they're all electric cars, that's the way to save the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    So we should just turn WRC+ into silent films and say they're all electric cars, that's the way to save the series!
    In the end it doesn't really matter what's under the hood. The people who know usually care about rallying, and those who don't know can be satisfied by telling them whatever they want to hear.

    Not long ago ford called their wrc engine ecoboost and put huge stickers on their wrc cars, even though the wrc engine has nothing in common with the ordinary ecoboost engines.

    Marketing is all lies, i see no reason why it should be different in wrc. If they just put a hybrid logo on the cars, 95% of the population will just believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    Not long ago ford called their wrc engine ecoboost and put huge stickers on their wrc cars, even though the wrc engine has nothing in common with the ordinary ecoboost engines.
    You're wrong. The previous generation of the Fiesta WRC used the Ecoboost 1.6 from the Fiesta ST for their WRC. Of course apart from the engine block most components were different. With the current generation it's a different engine, and little to no visibility for the "ecoboost" logo.

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    I hate to say it, but this extreme E series is gathering a staggering amount of momentum. I'm certainly not saying it's a competitor for rallying, but BBC1 coverage, multiple F1 champion involvement and it hasn't even started yet.
    Although it's a different sport, will it absorb some of the fans rallying was aiming to capture, or possible poach a some current ones?

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