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28th April 2020, 15:08 #511
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But if the new cars are as still seriously fast and only in your opinion, sorry in your and Dan’s opinions, do they look crap, than what’s the issue?
You should support your M-Sport team a Bit more, no matter what car the my choose to run.
Eddie, when was the last time you watched a current WRC car live?
You seem so determined that the appearance of a car is detrimental to the sport gaining more fans... what evidence have you based this theory on? (Please don’t tell me you did a poll with just you and Dan in the fast ford forum)?
Have you considered the series could change in other ways to attract more fans? Would be interesting to hear your conclusions if you have, rather than just hearing you whining all the time about probably a shape change of less than 10cm, especially when the thing goes past in a forest so quick that you haven’t a clue what it is, most of the time.... that is, if you do actually go and watch the sport.
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28th April 2020, 15:27 #512
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Please, lets not get back into posting quotes from random nobodies from random forums.
I'm open to the idea that the move towards mini SUVs does nothing to help the perception of the WRC amongst a potentially wider audience, particularly in places like the UK where a huge audience has been lost over the years. Here we definitely hear from lapsed fans bemoaning the move away from various things, be it Escorts, 'cars that look like ones in the showroom', Group B, Subarus & Evos, the lardy 2ltr WRC cars... Arguably all those people were already lost and dismissive of the current hatchback era, but that's where we are and it's been great. But at the end of the day, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Personally in theory I'd really rather them not go to small SUVs (especially not large ones!), but I can see it not being too bad if they're (as I expect they would be) designed sympathetically with the scaling to de-SUV the appearance of them. As has been said, if a similar affect is achieved to the Mini Countryman and Suzuki SX4, it'll be fine. I can see the Puma lending itself particularly well to this, as it could just end up looking like a smaller focus.
Another advantage is that it'll add variety, which is what a lot of older fans complain is lacking compared to the good old days. It'd differentiate the classes. Rally 1 would be mainly mini-SUVs, maybe a Subaru saloon. Larger cars. Rally 2 would be for more production looking hatchbacks.Last edited by the sniper; 28th April 2020 at 15:30.
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28th April 2020, 17:51 #513
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I´m one of those "older fans"
I like different cars."quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"
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29th April 2020, 14:47 #514
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So come on Eddie, a few questions unanswered...
Have you watched a current spec car live in a stage?
What data are you using to base your comments on regarding the general public not seeing any excitement in SUVs and therefore a big source of publicity being lost? Have you had access to a poll or something that draws these conclusions?
Also your insistence that 'the best in the world won't just drive anything'.. apart from Ogier leaving, which is definitely a planned retirement, which other drivers will be leaving when the new generation of cars come in?
It would be really good to hear what you have to say on the above as it might help to make your points on SUVs and the future of the sport easier to understand.
If the whole SUV thing is just your opinion, then that's cool, but you should maybe hold off making statements along the lines of it being something that will cause the series to lose fans if you have absolutely nothing to back it up (apart from a quote from Dan on the fast cars forum).Last edited by T16; 29th April 2020 at 22:11.
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30th April 2020, 09:52 #515
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Guys, on a slightly different subject, have there been any more discussions to permit the homologation of rally vehicles by independent teams?
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30th April 2020, 10:04 #516
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1st May 2020, 16:09 #517
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Yes I've seen the current-spec cars running on Rally GB and as a member of the M-Sport Supporters Club I also had access behind the scenes at the SP. Chatting to many fellow Club member's it turned out that nearly all of us had a Fiesta ST, Focus ST or other high performance car. The fact that there was or had been a rally version of their car was a big thing to them. I never heard anyone say they have a boring SUV.
From 2017 the crowds were absolutely huge - the biggest I can remember since the McRae/Burns days. But listening to them, clearly a lot weren't hardcore fans but they had turned out in numbers because they had seen and heard how spectacular the 2017 cars looked compared to the previous generation.
So it seems clear to me that it is vital for rally cars to look amazing, sound amazing, and be 'inspirational' in people wanting to dream of owning a fast car a bit like them.
The hot-hatchback has been a massive market here for years and I dont see a big change in appetite for many wanting the 'hot-SUV'. A hot-hatch is usually the dream car of the youngster for driving fun or the rally/racing enthusiast. Such people have with little requirement for a big, spacious car like an SUV. They dont dream of owning an SUV .Last edited by Fast Eddie WRC; 1st May 2020 at 16:33.
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1st May 2020, 16:33 #518
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The recently-revealed Puma ST is going to have the same engine as the Fiesta ST. But how many buyers are going to want one instead of the Fiesta when it's looking like this, weighing more, costing more and driving worse, just because there'll be a WRC-version ?
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1st May 2020, 20:15 #519
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nice looking car
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2nd May 2020, 09:51 #520
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I don't like SUVs, I think they're an absolute blight on the roads.....however, I actually like the Puma ST, and could be tempted. I don't really want them in the WRC, in my view, they're more suitable for RallyRaid/ Dakar/Extreme-E type series. But, and if it means we get another 2-3 Manufacturers, then I think it's a price worth paying. The WRC desperately needs more than the current number of manufacturers.....and I'd really hope Ford will commit properly.
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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