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    Someone wisely mentioned that Kubica has his own thread and as a friend of order, I shall deliver my answer here:
    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    then why does he only has 8 points in 12 rally's?
    perhaps he doesn't always bins it completely, but he makes serious mistakes everytime.

    the only rally that can be called good for him, was poland. when he only lost 2 minutes to ogier.


    raikkonen did a lot better than kubica. he didn't win stages, but he managed to get results.
    kubica had done 39 rally's before he shifted to a full wrc season, raikkonen had done 4.

    raikkonen: 59 points in 21 wrc rally's
    kubica: 22 points in 24 wrc rally's
    http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=6450&sct=1
    http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=8567&sct=1

    yet kubica scored 18 points in 7 rally's in wrc2, so it seems he knows how to drive fast.
    Do I need to remind you that Prokop currently has 39 points this season? And absolutely no one... not even die hard Czech fans, would call Prokop a world class driver. I can accept that Kresta in his days was a good driver, but not Prokop. If you call Raikkonen good for collecting 59 points in two seasons, then Prokop must be like god to you.

    ...and by the same logic, Khalid Al Qassimi must also be a better driver since he has more points (9 vs 8)... c'mon, no one falls for that, a guy that regularly gets beaten by half the WRC2 field is not better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itix View Post

    Do I need to remind you that Prokop currently has 39 points this season? And absolutely no one... not even die hard Czech fans, would call Prokop a world class driver. I can accept that Kresta in his days was a good driver, but not Prokop.
    Approved by me as Czech fan ;-) In my opinion Prokop would be star in ERC or even in WRC2 (with strategy of collecting points, because nobody can be so insanely quick as Lappi, but Lappi also crash) , but WRC itself is top level. And Prokop and his strategy of collecting points is OK, but not something that would blow your mind. BUT Prokop did his job well this season and that was the target.

    BTW. Sometimes I wonder why Prokop even after 9 (or more) seasons in top class is not able to remember some special stage and push just because of fun. Like for example : "Hey, I have done here 17 racing passes thru this special stage and I know it and I like it here, I can push without any risk."
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    Kimi was just a hamburger boy and a disgrace... a laughing stock... maybe he was bullied at school as a boy and became like that, i do not know, i hope he wasn't because that will make me sad.

    What Kubica tries to do is hard and of course he gets respect for that... the speed is there but he cannot combine it with consistency... it is a bit sad because the hard part is to get the speed right usually.

    Rallying at the top level is not a sport for Kubica... he does not have the complete package to succeed so it is better for him to accept that and move on to lesser championships or lesser sports...

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    Prokop is a true rally driver, always looking at the big picture and not focusing on the moment. he could aim trophies in lowest levels but since he has the possibility he stays with the top guys. Of course he misses the talent and speed to match factory drivers times but among the privateers he can be called the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    Prokop is a true rally driver, always looking at the big picture and not focusing on the moment. he could aim trophies in lowest levels but since he has the possibility he stays with the top guys. Of course he misses the talent and speed to match factory drivers times but among the privateers he can be called the best.
    It's good that Prokop knows his limitations and settles for finishing events to gain places by other drivers crashes. But like liposh wrote, why couldn't he just push in his favourite rallies? I mean he might get his podium in Argentina or something but it will be pure luck. His way is ok for him, but not for Kubica.
    We will see how he will do on next year's Dakar as he should good in this type of events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b3637853 View Post
    It's good that Prokop knows his limitations and settles for finishing events to gain places by other drivers crashes. But like liposh wrote, why couldn't he just push in his favourite rallies? I mean he might get his podium in Argentina or something but it will be pure luck. His way is ok for him, but not for Kubica.
    We will see how he will do on next year's Dakar as he should good in this type of events.
    Yes, pheraps he could dare sometimes, maybe he does it but we do not notice it

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    Quote Originally Posted by b3637853 View Post
    It's good that Prokop knows his limitations and settles for finishing events to gain places by other drivers crashes. But like liposh wrote, why couldn't he just push in his favourite rallies? I mean he might get his podium in Argentina or something but it will be pure luck. His way is ok for him, but not for Kubica.
    We will see how he will do on next year's Dakar as he should good in this type of events.
    For me this is really pity. I was at the beginning of his international career, in first years in JWRC I liked his motivation, style when he was always trying to fight, to improve yourself, to be faster. But later in JWRC and SWRC, he lost this "drive" and focused on reliability. And I think that this is his problem - he can go lets say on 95% of his speed constantly without mistakes. But he is not abel to switch to another level and go to his limits...

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    Prokop lost it somewhere between the special stage and the local Mcdonalds...

    I really believe that if he suddenly stops from rallying maybe 1 or 2 guys who are autistic with counting WRC cars on each entry list will notice... he does not offer anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    Prokop lost it somewhere between the special stage and the local Mcdonalds...

    I really believe that if he suddenly stops from rallying maybe 1 or 2 guys who are autistic with counting WRC cars on each entry list will notice... he does not offer anything.
    But we need to have drivers like Prokop - rallysport is not only about winner, but also about "the others". And only from this "the others" we can have new champions in future. Martin will never be champion, but at least he is good benchmark for newcomers or young drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N.O.T View Post
    he does not offer anything.
    He doesn't have to. If he has passion and likes to just drive WRC car and have the possibility, then let him be.

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