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11th June 2013, 22:24 #1
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Was anyone wondering how Helio was so much better than anyone else at Texas?.....
....answer is simple, he and Penske cheated.
INDYCAR: Texas Winners Team Penske Fined, Lose Points
The precedent is clear in IndyCar now. Run an illegal car and all that will happen is you receive a token fine. Race position and points will still be yours. Why should I care about integrity of the individual races and the of the championship when IndyCar clearly doesn't? I don't pay very close attention to IndyCar anymore and whatever pull I have left in me to pay any attention to their joke of a series may have just left the building.
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12th June 2013, 04:17 #2
From the article you linked comes this:
“Obviously we are very disappointed that the No. 3 car did not pass post-race inspection after Saturday’s race at Texas," he said. "The rule in question (14.6.6.14) states that the diffuser exit must measure 7.600.” After the race, ours was 7.575” because we neglected to tighten the braces that position the rear of the diffuser following pre-race inspection. The way Helio’s car raced did not provide any advantage as a lower diffuser height actually adds drag and reduces downforce.
"To ensure this is the case, we ran this configuration in the wind tunnel on Monday morning and found that the No. 3 car actually raced with three pounds less downforce and one pound more drag than what it would have had if we tightened the underwing braces properly.”
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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12th June 2013, 12:50 #3
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Originally Posted by garyshell
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12th June 2013, 13:25 #4
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Originally Posted by garyshell
If you are going to include quotes, why not pick some others in the article.
The value of running with the tunnel exits higher than permitted is certainly an advantage, according to one veteran engineer I spoke with.
"If you alter that exit height--if you raise it--you can definitely pick up extra downforce," he said. "There's a reason they define its height very tightly. Move it up even a little bit, and there's definitely a performance gain to be had."A similar technical violation occurred at TMS in 2012 after the car of race winner Justin Wilson was found to have a pair of aero pieces that were leftover from Indy (but disallowed for Texas) installed for the entire event. Like Castroneves, Wilson kept the win but he lost five driver points and his Dale Coyne Racing team was penalized $7000 for the offense.
Why a similar specification transgression 12 months later carried no driver penalty, yet came with a team fine that's five times what DCR received is rather curious
Sure, deflect this into me having an agenda and just trying to slag the series. IndyCar has long had a credibility problem. If you think this sort of thing helps that, then your entitled to your opinion. Personally, when the same race has successive "winners" that were driving illegal cars and they are allowed to keep their victory's, then it seems to me that it's races are somewhat of a joke and not to be taken very seriously. But as I said in my original post, if IndyCar doesn't take the integrity of it's races and championship seriously, then why should I? I'll just vote with my personal time and my eyeballs and find something better to do than to bother to watch any of their races.
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12th June 2013, 13:37 #5
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12th June 2013, 14:59 #6
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I don't know what sort of significance the infraction had one way or the other,but IndyCar officials lack of meaningful enforcement of it's own rules is credibility issue that is bigger than actual offence of one team.
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12th June 2013, 16:52 #7Originally Posted by DBell
Running with the tunnels exits lower than allowed would reduce downforce--something that was already in short supply--and would have made the car more unstable. According to Penske Racing president Tim Cindric, that's exactly what happened.
I think, in this case that was the correct decision.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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12th June 2013, 16:58 #8Originally Posted by StarterOriginally Posted by DBell
Really, I didn't? I quoted a report from Tim Cindric that was printed on Indycar's own site and not disputed by Indycar. Do you really think Indycar would have posted, without comment, that note with the exact measurement's intact, if they, Indycar, disputed them. What more would you want for this to be considered "facts"?
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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12th June 2013, 17:06 #9Originally Posted by DBell
With this, I am most assuredly NOT commenting on the other transgressions that have occurred because I don't have the facts in front of me. I agree there needs to be consistency in applying the rules. But I think there needs to be different penalties for cheating versus rules violations.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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12th June 2013, 17:49 #10
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Originally Posted by garyshellRule 14.6.6.14, which states "The exit of the underwing height is 7.600 inches with a tolerance of plus 0.050 inches and minus 0.000 inches" was violated by an unspecified amount.
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