WRC-2 season 2013

[PLuto]

You can join WRC-2 when you want. If Loeb wants win WRC-2, he should join it in Deutschland and win it...

[wrc1600]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0

Have they competed in the same championship? If not this comparison is nonsense.

[rallyfun]

The level of competition in WRC-2 is quite low. I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Andreucci was driving Pug 207 S2000 competing in Italian Championship only. Kubica was driving Citroen DS3 RRC competing in WRC-2. Kosciuszko was driving Ford Fiesta WRC. Andreucci was faster than Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.

Below you can see my analysis:

"SS No." "SS name" "winner WRC" "Kosciuszko" "Kubica" "Andreucci"
1 MONTE LERNO 19:20.2 20:52.2 21:11.5 19'55.4
2 MONTE OLIA 13:43.0 14:36.0 15:04.0 14'11.3
3 TERRANOVA 10:36.9 11:08.0 11:34.1 10'58.9
4 MONTI DI ALA' 13:38.9 14:37.7 14:57.3 14'18.0
5 COILUNA - LOELLE 13:47.0 14:31.1 14:57.4 14'24.9
6 MONTE OLIA 13:19.3 14:05.3 14:15.5 14'06.0

What is your point? What do you want to prove with those satistics?

[bluuford]

These stats are clearly showing that these stages can be driven at various speeds..

[CWJ]

I made a small comparison between Paolo Andreucci, Robert Kubica and Michal Kosciuszko on the same stages of Rally Sardegna. Kubica on all the stages! Kubica wasn't even close to the Italian, but he easily won WRC-2 with a big margin. I didn't know that the level of WRC-2 was so low.
Below you can see my analysis:

I also don't believe in your stats. And you did some mistakes.
You can f.e. not compare Kubica Monte Lerno1 with Andreucci who drove only Monte Lerno2. Since we know Italian recce mode and stage knowledge, you should at least compare times of second loop and pls have in mind, Kubica was 3 minutes in the lead, everybody just waiting for a mistake.

Anyway I was impressed by the speed I'v seen from both Scandola and Andreucci. They drove very agressiv and risky with a obviously good knowledge of every cm of the stage

[Jarek Z]

I also don't believe in your stats. And you did some mistakes.
You can f.e. not compare Kubica Monte Lerno1 with Andreucci who drove only Monte Lerno2. Since we know Italian recce mode and stage knowledge, you should at least compare times of second loop and pls have in mind, Kubica was 3 minutes in the lead, everybody just waiting for a mistake.

I had a look at my results again and it seems that you are right about Monte Lerno. I should have used Monte Lerno 2 results. I didn't notice that. Sorry about it. But let's not forget that it is still the same stage with the same length. One mistake doesn't ruin my results

And if you doubt, here are the official results:
Rally Italia Sardegna | WRC, FIA, Ford, Mini, Citroen, Skoda, Volkswagen
ITALIAN RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP | official website

[Jarek Z]

What is your point? What do you want to prove with those satistics?

Nothing. It's just an interesting fact, a curiosity. Don't be so serious about it. I only wanted to see how slow (or fast) Kubica is compared to such a well-known specialist as Andreucci. So I had a look at stage times and compared them. Afterwards, I thought why not share it with other forum members. That's all.

[rallyfun]

Nothing. It's just an interesting fact, a curiosity. Don't be so serious about it. I only wanted to see how slow (or fast) Kubica is compared to such a well-known specialist as Andreucci. So I had a look at stage times and compared them. Afterwards, I thought why not share it with other forum members. That's all.

Then your choice wasn't great. If you compare local multichampion with newcomer the result is no brainer. Especially if they compete in different ligues. Everyone knows that Kubica is slower on gravel and his goals are different but still fast enough to win WRC2 by 4:17.

[Jarek Z]

Then your choice wasn't great. If you compare local multichampion with newcomer the result is no brainer.

Hmm... In my opinion my choice was great. Who should I compare Kubica to in your opinion? To some gentleman driver from Saudi Arabia?
I chose Andreucci, because he is a good reference point to see where Kubica is with his speed.

[rallyfun]

Hmm... In my opinion my choice was great. Who should I compare Kubica to in your opinion? To some gentleman driver from Saudi Arabia?
I chose Andreucci, because he is a good reference point to see where Kubica is with his speed.

I would say You should compare him to any of non Italian driver in similar car. What is the point of comparing incomparable? I guess it's the same as comparing Loeb and Kosciuszko in Rally France,to see where is he with speed.