Development of a S1600 4WD RallyCar for 2013

[Sulland]

The news of the development of a new rallycar with 1600T and 4WD, with a price around 100 000 euro is very good news. It deserves its own thread.

The current 4wd cars are too expensive for most privateers in regional and national series, and the current economic climate tells us that getting sponsors will get even harder.

Several manufacturers are in dialogue with FIA as we write, with the goal to have the new category car ready for 2013. They will base them around a R3T, and add a generic 4wd system, much like the MaxiRally cars in Argentina.
A very good initiative, lets hope they succeed !

I have stolen this from another thread to give some figures:

This is quite far from the topic but WTH.

I made some hypothetic calculations with the Citroen DS3 R3T as a base.

DS3 R3T kit, which includes the “Racing engine, assembled and bench-tested, ready to be mounted”: 62.000 €
The gravel kit: 7.800 €
Donor car: 30.630 € (it’s the price of a DS3 THP 207 Racing which price in Finland without our beloved car taxes)
Assembling of the car: 20.000 €

62.000 + 7.800 + 30.630 + 20.000 = 100.430 €

What are not needed from the R3T kit for the 4WD formula are the R3T gearbox and the reinforced body shell with roll cage. The spare part price for a Renault Clio R3 body shell is 7.570 € and the spare part price for the gearbox is 9.393 €. The spare part price for the Honda Civic R3 gearbox is 9.000 €.

Choosing 7.600 € as the spare part price for the body shell and 9.000 € for the gearbox and assuming a 10% discount when these parts are included in a complete kit would result in a price of 6.840 € for the body shell and 8.100 € for the gearbox and both summed 14.940 €.

Basic kit for the 4WD = 100.430 - 14.940 = 85.490 €

The 4WD kit I picked from here (post #503)

• Gearbox: 24 500 €
• Rear diff. : 14 500 €
• Propshaft : 3 250 €
• Rear driveshaft : 950 €
• Body shell : 23 000 €
• Gravel hub carrier assembly : 4 200 €
• Rear subframe with arms : 5 300 €

24.500 + 14.500 + 3.250 + 2*950 + 23.000 + 2*4.200 + 5.300 = 80.850 €

Usually there’s a “discount” when buying a complete kit (as you all probably know what the price for a car would be if it would be build using spare part prices).

4WD kit – 10% = 72.765 €
4WD kit – 20% = 64.680 €
4WD kit – 30% = 56.595 €

The “kit discount” for the Honda Civic is ~ 9% and for the Fiesta R2 ~ 30%.

Adding the basic kit and the 4WD kit:

85.490 + 72.765 = 158.255 € for a complete car
85.490 + 64.680 = 150.170 € for a complete car
85.490 + 56.595 = 142.085 € for a complete car

[modri dirkac]

They have my support, RRC's are way too expensive.

[makinen_fan]

is this comfirmed or just speculations at the moment? were is it going to be placed? below s2000/s1600T or are they plan to get rid of these categories all together. i dont umderstand why they have to invent new rally car categories every couple of years...

[Gregor-y]

Will anyone sell a 1.6T road car with 4 wheel drive to capitalize on the formula?

[Mirek]

It's a bit different idea Manufacturers and FIA are talking about a possibility of a new class which is 4x4 1.6T but doesn't require production equivalent. So they don't want to create new N4/R4 in a moment when this concept slowly dies. The idea is to find a solution for new affordable 4x4 class. Basically they want to create something like R3T car with addition of a simple controlled 4x4 transmission.

[Gregor-y]

I know; I just like that the R2/R3 has some relevance to a normal car, just like my car has some homologated group N parts that make driving more enjoyable and my ownership experience more pleasant.

[Sulland]

What factories are involved in this project so far?

[Allar]

What factories are involved in this project so far?

I bed Skoda is one, but i dont know. Maybe M-sport too.

[Mirek]

For sure Peugeot for new 208.

[Sulland]

Done right, this class has the potential to get huge, both in national and regional series!

Maybe also it can become the new academy car?