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Thread: Money, money, money!
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30th May 2010, 13:47 #11Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Toshi Arai has been a Subaru stalwart for a long time, we might have seen similar by Possum Bourne perhaps if he was still alive. Though most seem to have some major sponsor on their cars. And a lot of it would be self funded.
Where do the Netherlands guys get their money from? Kuipers etc. and the Irish? As they run (or ran in Irelands case) a lot of top WRC cars in their national championships
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30th May 2010, 15:22 #12
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Originally Posted by Mitch555
Sadly some of the cold hearted people on this forum simply don't care where the money comes from as long as some talentless hack has the funds to clumsily thread their car through (and sometimes into) the sceneryRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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30th May 2010, 15:34 #13
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Didn't you bother to read his "Press release" when the deal for him buying his ride was announced?
If you'd bothered to read it he said right there "This is one of the most significant deals in WRC History"
And all you need to do is look at http://www.specialstage.com/forums and there you'll see that Kenny and Travesty Pastrami are "rally Gods" and "Rally Superstars".
Says so right there.
I think you just don't undertand....
(wink wink, nudge nudge)
Truth is I really don't what to do about the "World rally car" rules which allows these 99.8% hand built specials which cost so much vs the straight GpA rules which,of course insane expensive in their day for works cars STILL were at least AVAILABLE enough that even a schmuck like me---a one man shop making rally suspension and building motors, can afford to have a OK spec motor making all the power I need reliably...
If the costs are that high as they are (like GBP1800 for a PAIR of halfshafts, or 320 squids for a alloy brake hat---come on I make those, they don't cost 320 squids---) then somebody has to pay and so the ability to raise money to throw away for nothing becomes paramount.
It's a shame...John Vanlandingham
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30th May 2010, 15:36 #14
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpaRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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30th May 2010, 15:58 #15
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Hype hype hype a cheap thing costing pennies and sell it for LOTS to weak minded kids and make millions...
I dunno.
Of course it's not as repulsive and disgusting as the dealings of Rautenbach's daddy, but man everything down that part of the world seems to be drenched in blood and lies and just power....but I find modern ultra hype junk (where the central thing is not the product---skate board shoes or the man himself selling his "persona") repugnant.
I imagine its somewhat confusing for him himself but seesm the solution is to not to think about morals...just make a You-tube video...John Vanlandingham
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30th May 2010, 15:59 #16
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpaRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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31st May 2010, 10:07 #17
Costs and strings attached
Renting a car from M-Sport for a WRC round will cost you around 150.000Euros all included, for that you get a customer car. If you want a factory spec car then you need to be someone "special" and then it will cost you over 200.000Euro. "Special someones" in the past have included all Jouhki drivers, Wilslow, Tuohino, duval when privately entered.
The difference between the factory specification car and the customer car can vary depending on a number of factors. Top spec cars will have all the titanium parts which can easily add up to being 100kg lighter than customer spec which use steel. We are mainly talking about suspension parts, cross members etc.. Also thinner windscreens and aluminum bonnets will make a difference. people who doubt this should check the difference in weights between the 2 during scrutineering when the cars are empty. a difference of 100kg can have an impact of 1 sec/km on average.
Next thing is power. Top cars have in reality around 360 HP and customer cars will lack anything up to 40HP. It is very hard to see or hear the difference in power on turbochaged cars because the initial kick is always there. The difference is at the high end of the RPM's when some will run out of breath as they get to the REV limiter and others keep going to REV limiter much faster.
After this comes shock absorbers and setups but its another long story....
Hope this gives a little insight to the very intricate world of WRC.
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Originally Posted by KaffiRule 1 of the forum, always accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias.I would say that though.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???
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Originally Posted by Mitch555
Hi, anyone have experience with this route https://mapy.cz/s/bedudugeme from Oschiri to Monte Lerno stage - hairpin on 17km from start? If it´s doable by normal car? Thanks.
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