GT Class

[Ucci]

Gr. H is without restrictor but for sure with restrictions. Estimate 3.6L 420 hp and 1300 kg so that will be no monster at all.

Of course this is no monster...it can not be; the basic layout of the car older than 50 years, the car is almost undrivable in the wet conditions (light front end of the car, prone for aquaplaning), short suspension travel...this is far from ideal rally car.
That way anybody who is willing to take a start at rally with P911 (no matter the car's generation) is a hero for me...and if in the end this driver is faster than R5/S2000 (even in ideal conditions), you have to risk a lot. Remember - no car is driving by itself, it needs a driver.

[itix]

There are plenty of fun cars in the segment for the GT-class and if it was possible to cheapen the build and homologation process and still make them a fraction slower than the R5 cars, hopefully we'd have something else than endless boring Porsche hahahaha.

Also it would be nice to see something other than Tarmac rallies. Cars like the Lancia stratos and the Renault Alpine A-110 were GT cars and no one said they weren't real rally cars.

[stefanvv]

Also it would be nice to see something other than Tarmac rallies. Cars like the Lancia stratos and the Renault Alpine A-110 were GT cars and no one said they weren't real rally cars.

There was 911 also at that time in rallies.

[itix]

...but there were other cars. The FIA GT-class so far has only seen Porsche

[AndyRAC]

Let's be honest; there are many people, including probably the FiA who don't want GT/ Sportscars on the stages. Forgetting that they were an early part of the sport......

[RAS007]

Let's be honest; there are many people, including probably the FiA who don't want GT/ Sportscars on the stages. Forgetting that they were an early part of the sport......

The FIA clearly don't want the GT class, otherwise the regs would have been simpler. It's a shame in my opinion; the WRC is in such a turgid state, some variation, any variety would be good. People who say that GT cars have no place on the stages though, have no idea what they are talking about, and probably need a history lesson.

[Lundefaret]

Simple regulations allowing for everything from Porsches and Ferraris to Lotus Exiles etc - as we have seen in some southern European countries - would allow for a much bigger spectacle for both national and WRC audiences.
Sound and sights are very important.

But the FIA have a compulsory-regulation-syndrome, leading among other things to a DS3 R3T - a car directed to up and coming youth - to cost close to 100.000 Eur - with is just crazy when You can have a MINI John Cooper Works - with more hp, sequential etc etc asphalt cup car for 40.000 Eur.

The internationally homologated rally cars are almost all "shopping trollies" with boring looks and performance. These are directed to the up and coming youth, but the up and coming youth are only one small part of all rally drivers. The wast majority is men from 30-50 who can drive of their own income.

A GT class could fill a void for some of these men because You can drive a very cool car, with a budget with in reasonable boundaries. This could lead to a lot more drivers on the grid both nationally and internationally (WRC).

To "force" these cars to be slower than R5 cars on tarmac is just counter productive.

But FIA dont want this class, and attack it in "their way" as they now attack the Le Mans race by both regulations and having an F1 race running the same weekend.

[Sulland]

There are several of FIAs sister organisations, like FIFA and IAAF where the focus is wrong.
They are more focused on sponsors, manufacurers and money, than working for the athletes and the ones paying for the whole thing - us, the fans and customers.

We will see that the corruption hunters will focus more on sport, and start at the top level, the International Federations.
Hopefully FIA will go through the scrutiny with flying colors......

But if I had a saying in the rally future I would change the following:
- Only manufacturer teams are allowed to use WRCars (R6), the rest will have to start in WRC2. No full manufacturer teams at this level.
- make it easier to get international homologation as a tuner, without the manufacturers blessing.
- make R4 a privat tuners class. 4wd, Standard engine, gearbox and ecu.

FIA need to transform and swap focus from manufacturers to the Athletes!

[dimviii]

Let's be honest; there are many people, including probably the FiA who don't want GT/ Sportscars on the stages. Forgetting that they were an early part of the sport......

at these early days a small suspension travel wasn t so big handicap,cause almost all cars hadnt got todays suspension travel.At these days all cars were 2 wheel drive.Dont confuse these days with days after 40 years.

[dimviii]

. People who say that GT cars have no place on the stages though, have no idea what they are talking about, and probably need a history lesson.

you can always teach us a lesson, which regulations they will allow to a 911 for example be competetive at mud/snow/gravel/wet asphalt.
All these circumstances you find at rallies.
When you answer this question you will see who has a clue about rallies or not,and if a GT car has future at rallies.