Biden & Palin Debate

[Dave B]

McCain could have one last roll of the dice and sack Palin. It would show that he's got the ability to make tough decisions, and with a half-decent VP he might just stand half a chance.

[Roamy]

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I don't think it is gonna get any better for McCain. Either the women go for palin or they don't, I think beyond Palin we are out of good republicans. Ooh time for the broom I guess.

[OWFan19]

I think Palin is a joke of a running mate. Her answers with interviews that should have been easy to answer, were a total strugle. McCain has proven he is unfit to be President with his weak narrow minded campaign, and picking a a person with no brain to serve as his possible replacement. That isnt Country First, its Campaign First. Its scary that he could allow someone like Palin to be that close to be the President, One thing I give to the Republicans, they can take someone whether its Bush, McCain, Palin, and make them look like they are awesome.

If you think the Republicans don't have anyone better than Palin, then your party is an absolute joke. You betcha.

Great photo of Obama shinning shoes, proving once again that half of our country is getting dumber by the day.

[TOgoFASTER]

If you think the Republicans don't have anyone better than Palin, then your party is an absolute joke. You betcha.

Great photo of Obama shinning shoes, proving once again that half of our country is getting dumber by the day.

The good Republicans jumped ship awhile back and left the disgraced name to the fringe players.

Not dumber by the day, just more easily self exposed.

[Roamy]

I have. That's why I'm not voting for "Bama/Bidet"

But if forced to vote for one or the other of the majors, I would vote for Obama... Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez or Daffy Duck before I would ever vote for another candidate with connections to the neocon movement. If there was one political movement that I would assist in running out of this great nation at the tip of a sharp bayonet, it is the Neo-Conservative movement. By pretending to be fiscal conservatives, these wingnut traitors have bankrupted us morally and financially. The one vote that I will probably regret until the day I die is my vote for George W. Bush in 2000.




I don't agree with that. Using that logic, every election result has been "meaningless", because every candidate in my lifetime has had ties (personally, through business or through cabinet nominees) to Wall Street or the "greedy fat cats". There is a certain class in this country, who don't always share the same political views, but who must touch you on the shoulder with the sword, if you are going to be allowed a chance to sit in the big chair. But that commonality has not meant that the paths taken have always been the same.

Are we going to be in trouble no matter who wins? Yes, I believe so. I'm not sure that this mess can be solved in 4-8 years. And there were no true mavericks in this contest. There were no Ross Perot's on the horizon. And since he didn't grow up in a log cabin or have nail marks in his palms, some may have taken issue with him too. I don't know. But no matter who has given money or support (large corporations tend to give money to both sides - we always did: cover your bets), there are fundamental differences between the two in the areas of foreign policy and domestic policy. Hosed either way? Quite possibly. But both the same? Hardly. Just look at McCain's proposal (more likely from the brain of Phil Gramm) to socialize mortgage losses, while allowing profits to remain in the private sector. McCain has slight understanding of economics. When he stated that the economy was fundamentally sound a few months ago, that didn't come from his own head. That was Phil "Americans Are Whiners" Gramm whispering in his ear. Obama would socialize both profits and losses to some degree. True capitalism puts profits AND losses in the private sector: if you're right you win and live... if you're wrong you lose and die. No bailouts, followed by weekend resort trips. Three entirely different philosophies. My issue is I don't see anyone who now has the stones to propose a capitalist solution. The capitalist solution would be long and painful, though (IMO) effective. With McCain, there'll likely be something that looks more like his pal Phil Gramm's Commodity Futures Modernization Act ("Hey Mr. Clean, you're dirty now too!"). With Obama, there'll likely be some sort of "Great Society" plan. But I expect to see very few policy similarities between someone from the tax & spend left and someone who (sadly) now has increasing ties to the borrow & spend neocon right. Arguing about the end result is one thing. But no doubt, the method is going to be different depending on who takes this.

And will the (super) rich get richer... or adapt? Since well before the time of Octavian, that has been the case. I see no reason for that to suddenly change in 2008.

Jag look at it this way - we were brilliant voting for GWB. Now the entire congress is exposed. We have a chance to run all of these ______s out of office and bring in some new blood. Obama has had his hand so far up freddie and fannies ass that it will stink forever. The amazing thing to me this with all the TRUTH about obama's history how in the hell can this guy ever run for the highest office in our country. Yes the time for change should begin now with a total sweep of congress and a new impeachment bill that would remove unwanted politicians in 90 days.

[BDunnell]

While I think leadership skills can be learned and enhanced, I also believe that some people are just born with certain leadership characteristics. I think one reason that we don't get true leaders and the brightest minds in politics in the U.S. is because of the destructive nature of politics here. If you have it in you to be a star in business, why put yourself and your family through that? So we tend to get power hungry people, who wouldn't or couldn't make it in a free enterprise organization.

Let's not forget either that successful business-people cannot be transferred to the political world and be successful there. Many examples prove this. But I agree with your view on this point.

I think it could be expanded to say that, in the USA, you also get people who wouldn't last five minutes in politics in much of Europe, and tactics that have become utterly laughable to Europeans for their base brutality. To me, it is laughable that anyone should take those TV campaign ads seriously, yet many in the States clearly do. Why? I can only guess that they are less-than-well-informed and incapable of making political decisions without being told what to think by one side or the other. The level of debate is scarily low.

McCain's recent socialist brain fart, that the government should purchase troubled mortgages from banks at face value, allow the underlying real property to be revalued and then reset the mortgages based on these new lower values, tells me that he is neither a libertarian nor a fiscal conservative. All his plan does is reward bad luck or bad behavior on the part of lenders and borrowers alike and lock in a loss for American taxpayers. He may be some sort of confused national socialist at heart. Or, more likely, he may just be a desperate and tired old man, who is carelessly throwing ideas at the wall, hoping that he can get something to stick, as he watches a smooth talking liberal with a charismatic personality, effectivley connect with more people than he is.

Let's face it, many, many people are confused regarding their opinions on economic and other issues at the moment, leading the major political parties to have confused positions. We are seeing this in the UK at the moment. It is, in part, the sort of fiscal greed and lack of proper regulation that the Conservatives espoused for so long and Labour then did little to reverse that has got us into our current mess. Will this stop people voting Conservative? No! Should we believe that the Conservatives are now a left-wing party when it comes to economic policies and have disowned this element of their past? I don't think so.

[BDunnell]

Jag look at it this way - we were brilliant voting for GWB. Now the entire congress is exposed. We have a chance to run all of these ______s out of office and bring in some new blood. Obama has had his hand so far up freddie and fannies ass that it will stink forever. The amazing thing to me this with all the TRUTH about obama's history how in the hell can this guy ever run for the highest office in our country. Yes the time for change should begin now with a total sweep of congress and a new impeachment bill that would remove unwanted politicians in 90 days.

And that admittedly vague wish on your part would end with utter deadlock were it to be followed through. Quite what sort of people you wish to see in power, I dread to think.

Oh, and what is it about Obama's past you don't like? None of what we know seems all that serious when compared with the recent reality of Bush et al.

[Roamy]

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[markabilly]

And that admittedly vague wish on your part would end with utter deadlock were it to be followed through. Quite what sort of people you wish to see in power, I dread to think.

Oh, and what is it about Obama's past you don't like? None of what we know seems all that serious when compared with the recent reality of Bush et al.

You do not get it.

It is not about who you like or who has a better image and all that.
If it were, then ideal ticket would be Obama/Palin as they both come across much more likable than McCain or Biden.

But it ain't suppose to be a popularity contest.

GWB is cut from the same cloth as is the current bunch of Obama and McCain, pure and simple, when it comes to the real problems of this country and this world.

So no matter who gets there, as the Who said,

"we won't get fooled again, no no.......Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

So whoever gets elected, when he starts to be sworn in, that should be the theme song.

[OWFan19]

You do not get it.

It is not about who you like or who has a better image and all that.
If it were, then ideal ticket would be Obama/Palin as they both come across much more likable than McCain or Biden.

But it ain't suppose to be a popularity contest.

GWB is cut from the same cloth as is the current bunch of Obama and McCain, pure and simple, when it comes to the real problems of this country and this world.

So no matter who gets there, as the Who said,

"we won't get fooled again, no no.......Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

So whoever gets elected, when he starts to be sworn in, that should be the theme song.

GWB is nothing like Obama nor is Obama anything like Bush.