Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

[555-04Q2]

open to interpretation.

Should have read, "open to manipulation"

[Daniel]

All I want is racing.

I don't give a fig if Ferrari win as long as it was a fair fight with hopefully good racing.

I do like drivers with attitude though as they make it more personal.

JPM, JV, our Nige, Kimi and Lewis all have a bit of attitude which spices things up a bit.

You forget JPYM as well. The y stands for "you ****ing broke my head!"

[Dave B]

The old BTCC rulebook started off with the line "If it doesn't say you can, you can't."

Saved a lot of bother, that did.

[555-04Q2]

You forget JPYM as well. The y stands for "you ****ing broke my head!"

That was a classic Montoya moment

[Daniel]

Ian Phillips (Force India) is saying on FIve Live that in the team managers' meeting at Monza Charlie Whiting reminded the teams that if you gain an advantage you should wait until at least the next corner until you overtake.

Trouble is, none of the team mangers have any recollection of such a ruling and it certainly doesn't appear in the sporting code.

This is the problem: not so much whether Lewis or Kimi did anything wrong but the total fogginess of a rulebook which leaves so much open to interpretation.

The problem again comes down to the fact that a rulebook can't be all inclusive. Every single time I've seen this sort of thing happen the driver has always given the place back and not attacked for a corner or two, they've been penalised for not giving the place back at all or they've sort of given the place back as Lewis did and they got penalised. I can't actually recall when I last saw someone do what Lewis did. Can anyone tell me when the last time someone gained and advantage, gave the place back and then overtook all within the time from one corner to another?

[Dave B]

The problem again comes down to the fact that a rulebook can't be all inclusive.

Entirely possible, but then how can you possibly impose a punishment for something not covered by the rules? All you can do is issue a clarification so that going forward everybody knows where they stand. This is what should have been done in Belgium: clarify exactly what the procedure is for relinquishing any advantage.

[Knock-on]

Entirely possible, but then how can you possibly impose a punishment for something not covered by the rules? All you can do is issue a clarification so that going forward everybody knows where they stand. This is what should have been done in Belgium: clarify exactly what the procedure is for relinquishing any advantage.

That's it in a nutshell.

There is nothing in the rules about giving back any advantage. However, the understanding is that if you gain a place or maintain a place by going off track, you relinquish it or get a drive through.

Now, Charlie has "reiterated" than any advantage needs to be given back and no overtake until after the next corner. Problem is, nobody can remember him saying that before

[Daniel]

Entirely possible, but then how can you possibly impose a punishment for something not covered by the rules? All you can do is issue a clarification so that going forward everybody knows where they stand. This is what should have been done in Belgium: clarify exactly what the procedure is for relinquishing any advantage.

Well like I said it has AFAIK never happened before. Thing is there is a rule against gaining an advantage though

I think the driver and team should take some responsibility for not being a bit more sensible with things......

[Knock-on]

Well like I said it has AFAIK never happened before. Thing is there is a rule against gaining an advantage though

I think the driver and team should take some responsibility for not being a bit more sensible with things......

Really? There's a rule that covers gaining an advantage?

Can you show it please.

[Daniel]

Really? There's a rule that covers gaining an advantage?

Can you show it please.

Is there not? My bad if so!

As Dave says though "If it doesn't say you can, you can't" should be the way it operates.