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Thread: Wilson - Helio pass
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1st September 2008, 17:57 #21
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Calls like this are great for the series and thank God for them. Personally I still think PT was robbed in 2002, and honestly that's the only thing I remember clearly about that race.
Finally we have a "Controversy" that is racing related and not just coverage of some Danica episode.
I saw it, it was a block, Helio said it was a block. The only question really is Helio got the warning he felt he should have gotten. Honestly, I think that's a bit of stupid logic. You're doing something you know is illegal, but you think you can get away with it because you specifically haven't been warned about it, but it was spelled out in a previous meeting in which you participated.
What I saw was a good race that has generated discussion about racing. Bout time
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1st September 2008, 18:10 #22
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The fact of the matter is that, out of the fantastic 4 (dw, tk, sd, hc) helio is by far the worst about blocking. He's a good guy out of the race car, but on track he's one of the dirtiest drivers. Usually he doesn't have to race dirty because his car is so good. But this call should not have been a surprise to him, and he should feel lucky he didn't get punted. To say that Wilson shouldn't be able to race him because he's running for the championship is a bad racing mentality.
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1st September 2008, 19:41 #23Originally Posted by BobGarage
but indycar lets her get away with alot more cuz shes a girl,,witch i think is wrong, all driver sholud be treated the same,
but if danica loves to block, wont be long till someone has anuff of her,,and put her in the wall,, some driver need to learn the hard way,Thats The Way Of The Road.Thats The Way She Goes.Sometimes She Goes Sometimes She Doesn't Go
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1st September 2008, 20:39 #24
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Just another lap in F1 but not in the IRL.
Definitely not a Helio fan and not seeing him climb a fence after the race was okay by me but... it's always hard when the officials make a call like that. I think the SCCA over officiates and to a certain degree, so does the ALMS. I feel that call on Team Penske on Saturday was terrible.
To their (IRL) credit, the call was made swiftly and didn't have fans waiting for laps or even after the race was over to find out what was happening. As Indycool pointed out, one move and maintain it is usually acceptable but as he also pointed out he moved back onto the line. However, Barnhart's point was that Helio's initial move was in response to Wilson's move. This too is a no no.
The only way for Helio to get away with the blocking would have been for him to take that line immediately after he exited the corner and maintain it to the next corner. He did none of this. The AP report also claimed Wilson was blocked similarly three times although I didn't see that.
If there is one blatant blocking move you want for a race official's video tutorial, this would be it!Who, What, When, Where, Why -- http://champcarstats.com/
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2nd September 2008, 05:12 #25
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Originally Posted by BobGarage
People always accuse her of blocking. They have to find something to pick on her about because she can hang with the front runners at any race. She doesnt do anymore blocking than anyone else does out there its just people love to blame her for some reason. They think she cant do anything right.
As for Helio, there should of only been a warning given, not the penalty. Especially when crucial championship points were at stake. Bad call in my opinion.Danica Patrick- 2013 Sprint Cup Series Champion
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2nd September 2008, 12:14 #26
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
Wilson walked away from Helio in the last couple of laps. He had a much faster car and Helio knew that. Even if he had gotten a warning the most that would have happened is that he'd keep JW behind him for another lap or two.
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2nd September 2008, 12:22 #27
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Originally Posted by MDSDanica Patrick- 2013 Sprint Cup Series Champion
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2nd September 2008, 13:32 #28
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
People always accuse her of blocking. They have to find something to pick on her about because she can hang with the front runners at any race.
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2nd September 2008, 13:37 #29
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A fair and correct call - the mistake that cost Helio the position was made at the corner prior to the blocking maneuver. Wilson was going to make the pass any way you look at it, the loss of one position is an adequate penalty for the situation. Nobody would be blinking an eyelid if the penalty was over a fight for 15th position and a championship wasnt at stake...
Go the ALL BLACKS !
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2nd September 2008, 14:12 #30
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Originally Posted by DanicaFan
"People", to include most of the drivers, "accuse" her of blocking because she does it all the time. She is by far the worst of the worst when it comes to blocking. She herself has even admitted that "As a professional race car driver I'm entitled to defend my position". That means...BLOCKING.
What Helio did was just as blatant as what Manning got penalized for and just as blatant as the 4 or 5 blocks Danaica threw at 3 drivers on her cold tires. I know it stinks and it is hard to swallow when you're in Helio's position but as many people have pointed out here, the rules are the rules and even he admits he broke them. Just because it's hard to swallow doesn't mean it isn't right.
Helio's incident with J Dub was for a race win and has gotten all the publicity. Given that DP's ludicrous, blantant, and dangerous blocking was for 10th - 12th place, nobody seens to give it much thought. I suspect that if Danica doesn't run into Meira and then somehow stall her car because of the flat front left then she gets the penalty too. They were pretty consistent all day. I'm absolutely certain that Barnhart will be addressing that issue with her by Surfer's. Maybe show Danica the incident with Krosnoff in Toronto. That blocking crap can be dangerous even on street courses.
No specific blocking videos on YouTube but these are good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPKnm...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMIO_X0P14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if5Vq-HisL0It isn't the car Danica...it is the space between the steering wheel and the seat.
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