Rally History (part III)

[LazioCenturion]

Does anybody know if there is a Rallying Hall of Fame?

I tried to search on google, but could not find anything. Let me know if you have any hints.

[tannat]

Putting together historical piece on Porsche 911 wins at the Monte in the late 60's.

Question:Can someone confirm that the Group1/2/3 clasifications used on the 1969 edition were the same used in later years, until the coming of Group A and B?

It appears as if the first year for Group 4 on the Monte was 1970.

Thanks,

Tannat

[FAL]

The titles (numbers) of the categories was the same from 1.1.66. to 31.12.81. but the detail varied considerably over the years. The "modifications freely permitted" in each group (quite separate from homologated "options" and "production alternatives") changed frequently. So the actual detailed regulations were not always the same year to year within each group. Gp2 (where the 911L was homologated) was probably affected by changes more than the others.

I would have thought a Gp2 911L was more potent than a Gp3 911S and much the same as a Gp4 911S, with only the 911T arriving in Gp4 with different heads providing much more performance?

All the major events would normally have had Gps1-4 categories. The Monte was run to a handicap system of some sort for many years later than many may now think it was and it may be that the Gp4 category was handicapped in some years so severely that few entered it. I would be surprised if there was no such category at all any year but maybe that was so.

(if pre-68 911s had been as consistently quick in period as they are now in British historic rallying, the entire history of the sport would have been very different.....)

[tannat]

The titles (numbers) of the categories was the same from 1.1.66. to 31.12.81. but the detail varied considerably over the years. The "modifications freely permitted" in each group (quite separate from homologated "options" and "production alternatives") changed frequently. So the actual detailed regulations were not always the same year to year within each group. Gp2 (where the 911L was homologated) was probably affected by changes more than the others.

I would have thought a Gp2 911L was more potent than a Gp3 911S and much the same as a Gp4 911S, with only the 911T arriving in Gp4 with different heads providing much more performance?

All the major events would normally have had Gps1-4 categories. The Monte was run to a handicap system of some sort for many years later than many may now think it was and it may be that the Gp4 category was handicapped in some years so severely that few entered it. I would be surprised if there was no such category at all any year but maybe that was so.

(if pre-68 911s had been as consistently quick in period as they are now in British historic rallying, the entire history of the sport would have been very different.....)

Wow-think I'll avoid this issue in the writing.

Cheers, FAL

Tannat

[sednem]

Hi, i'm new here and trying to get some missing info to my auto-sports DB.
Now i'm focusing in rallying (ERC/WRC events) starting with 53 season (1st ERC ever)...
Maybe you can give me some help...
Regarding the '53 ERC, can somebody tell me the 'scoring' rules?
And Some missing names and countrys...
Monte Carlo
3. R??? Marion/J??? Charmasson
8. Donald Bennett/E??? Bennett (???)
Sestriere
2. ???? Scala/Vittorio Mazzonis
5. ??? Maranzana/???? Carlotti (ITA ???)
8. Ferdinando Gatta/???? de Martino
9. Giovanni Pignatelli/????? Sonnino
10. Emanuelle Nasi/???? Ceriana
RAC Rally
4. Jack Broadhead / J??? Lilley (GBR???)
7. G??? Turnbull / R???? Dean
9. George Hartwell / F??? Scott
Tulpen
8. J??? Scheffer / G??? Willing (NLD???)
Midnattssolsrallyt
6. Owe Stålheim / E??? Frank (SUE???)
7. T??? Nyström / T??? Sundström (SUE???)
8. Karl-Einar Andersson / O??? Tryggvensson (SUE???)
10. J???? Bengtsson / Erik Lundgren
Alpes
8. Ferdinando Gatta / ????? Cottino
Liège
6. Franco Caramelli / ????? Turbiglio (???)
8. ???? Slater (???) / Peter Bolton (???)
9. ???? Bigoni (???) / ????? Curie (???)
10. ??? Fabre (???) / ??? Caron (???)
Lisboa
5. John G?????. (???) / Peter Reece
9. Fernando Stock / ?????

and some contribution: somewhere in a previous post i read, for the '53 Sestriere:
1st Gert Seibert/A.Holz
IMO there is a typo and should be:
1st Gert Seibert/Alfred Bolz (Bolz was the regular co-driver and appears in some 53 sestriere standings)

Americo!

[dario]

[quote="sednem"]Hi, i'm new here and trying to get some missing info to my auto-sports DB.
Now i'm focusing in rallying (ERC/WRC events) starting with 53 season (1st ERC ever)...


Sestriere
2. ROBERTO Scala/Vittorio Mazzonis
5. G. Maranzana/G. Carlotti (ITA)
8. Ferdinando Gatta/GILDO de Martino
9. Giovanni Pignatelli/CARLO Sonnino
10. Emanuelle Nasi/???? Ceriana
RAC Rally
4. Jack Broadhead / JACK Lilley (GBR???)
7. G.H. Turnbull / ROBERT Dean
9. George Hartwell / F. Scott

Midnattssolsrallyt
6. Owe Stålheim / ERIK Frank (SUE???)
7. T??? Nyström / T??? Sundström (SUE???)
8. Karl-Einar Andersson / O??? Tryggvensson (SUE???)
10. JOHN Bengtsson / Erik Lundgren

Liège
6. Franco Caramelli / ????? Turbiglio (???)
8. ???? Slater (???) / Peter Bolton (???)
9. FRANCO Bigoni (???) / ????? Curies (???)
10. RENE' Fabre (???) / JEAN Caron (???)
Lisboa
5. JACK REECE (GB) / Peter Reece
9. Fernando Stock / ?????

Best Regards
Dario

[fishtank]

Can anyone help please.
I am looking for the entry list for the Aviano Rally in Italy in 1998.
Thanks for any assistance.

[sednem]

Thaks Dario for '53 updates... let's move on to '54...
Does somebody knows the "scoring" rules (as for 1953...)
And some missing results and names...
24° Rally Automobile de Monte Carlo
5. #??? J??? Vial (FRA)/G??? L??? Panuel (FRA) - Renault 4cv -
5º Rally Sestrieres
3. #??? Giuseppe Marazana (ITA)/G??? Carlotti (ITA) - Panhard Dyna - 19.1 pts
9. #??? Emilio Giletti (ITA)/??? Cinti (ITA) - Lancia Aurelia B22 - 57.9 pts
4th RAC British International Rally 1954
2. #??? Peter G. Cooper (GBR)/O??? L??? Leighton (GBR) - Triumph TR2 - 435.05 pts
5. #??? Bill Bleakley (GBR)/P??? Glaister (GBR) - Triumph TR2 -
6. #??? ???/???
7. #169 Jimmy Ray (GBR)/K?? D?? Ray (GBR) - Morgan Plus-Four -
8. #7 Alex Newsham (GBR)/A??. Beaumont (GBR) - Morgan Plus-Four -
9. #??? ???/???
10. #??? ???/???
6º Rally das Tulipas
4. #??? Johnny Boardman (GBR)/J?? A?? Duckworth (GBR) - Jaguar Mk. VII -
5. #??? Jan Martens (BEL)/B?? H?? Eerligh (???) - Fiat 1100 -
7. #??? ???/???
9. #??? ???/???
5° Svenska Midnattssolen Rally
2. #??? G??? Kjellstrom (SWE)/S??? Höök (SWE) - Porsche 356 -
6. #??? John Bengtsson (SWE)/??? Kruse (SWE) - Ford Anglia -
7. #??? Arne Wernersson (SWE)/ ??? - Fiat -
8. #??? Heinz Meier (DEU)/??? Friman (???) - DKW Sonderklasse -
9. #??? Gunnar Nilsson (SWE)/ ??? - Fiat -
10. #??? ??? Gustafsson (SWE)/ ??? - Fiat -
17. Rallye International des Alpes
7. #??? Bill Burton (???)/??? Burke (???) - Aston Martin DB2 -
9. #526 Roger Rauch (FRA)/??? Bousson (FRA) - Salmson 2300 Sport -
13. Liège Rome Liège/Marathon de la Route
4. #??? Georges Houel (FRA)/G??? Blaise (FRA) - Alfa Romeo 1900 Ti -
8. #??? ??? Barre (FRA)/??? Pellecuer (FRA) - Porsche 356 -
9. #??? ??? Celerier (FRA)/??? Reveillon (FRA) - Porsche 356 -
10. #??? Gilbert Sabine (FRA)/??? Leroux (FRA) - Porsche 356 -
11. #??? ??? Buschmann (DEU)/??? Grimm (DEU) - Porsche 356 -
24º Rallye de Genève
4. #??? ??? Deroux (FRA)/??? Gouteyron (FRA) - Alfa Romeo 1900 - 13.96 pts
5. #18 ??? Martin (FRA)/Julio Quinlin (FRA) - Salmson 2300 Sport - 16.00 pts
6. #??? Carlo Bornand (CHE)/??? Flury (CHE) - Alfa Romeo 1900 - 16.00 pts
9. #??? ??? Brun (CHE)/Rolf Wüthrich (CHE) - Porsche 356 - 23.60 pts
Best Regards.
Américo

[MG Rally]

Hi all! I am searching for the final points tables for the...

1986 FIA European Rally Championship
1986 French Rally Championship
1986 Belgian Rally Championship
1986 German Rally Championship

...any help would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks.

[elvis]

Hi all! I am searching for the final points tables for the...

1986 FIA European Rally Championship
1986 French Rally Championship
1986 Belgian Rally Championship
1986 German Rally Championship

...any help would be gratefully appreciated. Many thanks.

About french championship , you can find some informations here : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champio...s_rallyes_1986