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Thread: Rumored 2009 IC Schedule
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23rd July 2008, 13:16 #51
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Originally Posted by garyshell
Draw a Circle 100 Miles in all directions around Sparta.
Tell Me again how it is a Southern race.
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23rd July 2008, 14:03 #52
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Oops, Gary, I stand corrected....Henderson is across from Evansville....I was thinking of Covington....don't know why I did that (I've even flown out of Ludlam, is it, the private airport in Cincinnati?).
anthony, a 100-mile circle around Sparta would include northern cities and southern cities. You'd get pretty close to Knoxville. You'd get pretty close to Indianapolis. And you would definitely, as Gary says, get Louisville and Lexington.
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23rd July 2008, 14:08 #53
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
"For 80 years this place has run on tradition. From today forward it will run as a business." - Tony George (Failed businessman)
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23rd July 2008, 15:52 #54
Originally Posted by indycool
Lunken is the small airport in Cincinnati, public not private, actually owned by the city of Cincinnati. It is about a mile from my office.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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23rd July 2008, 16:05 #55
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I did that already. And two of the three closest major metropolitan areas are as previously stated, Lexington and Lousiville. And in addition there is the State Capital Frankfort. I guess none of those are "southern" enough for a South Florida lad, huh? It may not be southern enough for you, but I'd be VERY careful if you propose such a preposterous statement to the residents of any of those three cities. Hell, even the folks in Cincinnati would consider it a southern race. It is in Kentucky afterall!
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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23rd July 2008, 16:36 #56
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Originally Posted by garyshell
You either don't get it or just want to argue.
MARKETING!!!!
I will give you an example.
I am in Miami. Miami is the Southernmost metropolitan City in the Continental US. Geographically it is about as Southern as you can get.
If you market a major Racing Event to a Souther Audience in Miami you might as well pack up your belongings and quit.
NASCAR has a hard time selling out a 65,000 seat Track here.
While Sparta is in the South Geographically a large portion of it's market for an Indycar race is decidely Mid-Western.
You may not like the idea. You may disagree. But it is a MARKETING FACT.
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23rd July 2008, 16:59 #57
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Ok let's look at the original message that started this off. Now tell me are these marketers looking for a "southern race" or a race that they can market to people who live in the south???? I think we both know the answer is the latter. These potential marketers of an ICS event could not give a rats ass about a "southern race" versus a "midwestern race". They DO care about the number of people surrounding a particular venue that might be in their demographic. In the case of Sparta, they will see a significant number of folks who live in the south that might attend. Likewise with Ft. Worth. They won't see this as a "southern race" or a "midwestern race" they will see it as a race to attract folks who live in the south.
You are the one who wants to argue this ridiculous notion of marketing a "southern race". The marketing FACT is, no one marketing a ICS race will ever market something as a "southern race" or a "midwestern race".
They will all put push pins on a map and see how many folks fall within a certain radius of that pin and market to them BY CITY, not by geographic region.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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23rd July 2008, 19:14 #58
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Originally Posted by garyshell
That potential Schedule is great if your brand wants to target the heartland but what about a brand that wants to target other larger and more cosmopolitan markets?
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23rd July 2008, 19:58 #59
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Originally Posted by speeddurango
We should know what the real one looks like in about a week's time
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23rd July 2008, 20:55 #60
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anthony, the NFL doesn't have a team in LA, so is that a disaster for the NFL? Nobody acts like it and they have a season every year.
There are people on this forum who want Road America. Is Sheboygan a major market? What major market is Watkins Glen in?
Atlanta is a major market. Atlanta is also a lousy sports town. What good does it do to go there and draw flies?
The Indianapolis 500, Chicago, Dallas-Fort Worth, San Francisco (Infineon), Milwaukee, Kansas City, Tampa-St. Petersburg, Detroit, Los Angeles (Long Beach), Miami and Richmond are pretty spread out examples of major markets. Iowa (Des Moines), Kentucky (Cincinnati, Louisville and Lexington), Edmonton (and Calgary), ain't small markets.
To all that goes into a schedule -- Dates, promoters, TV, weather at various times of the year, where the sponsors want to be, where the competitors want to race, where there are places suitable for racing and what else is going on at the time plus where each INDIVIDUAL sponsor and competitor want to be are never going to be 100 percent perfect for ANYONE.
According to Millener their cars performance is as good as Toyotas, so there shouldn't be any worries.
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