WTCC Reverse 8

[Eurotech]

it is not a case of ruining it but trying to appease everyone.
Just remember that in the BTCC Mr Gow just puts out a safety car whenever he feels like it.
I would prefer tweaks and other interventions than see the same car or brand winning every race by a mile

i agree because you don't want to end up woth what we got in the end of the supertouring era when one car/team would dominate the season

[Bezza]

Best era of the BTCC? Mid 90's. Reverse grids? Nope.

Two longer races, individual qualifying. Give the race chance to develop and tyres become important.

They have made the BTCC and the WTCC a gimmick sport. It rewards random-ness and disregards acheivement.

It is about time they moved back to two races with no stupid rules.

[Daniel]

Best era of the BTCC? Mid 90's. Reverse grids? Nope.

Two longer races, individual qualifying. Give the race chance to develop and tyres become important.

They have made the BTCC and the WTCC a gimmick sport. It rewards random-ness and disregards acheivement.

It is about time they moved back to two races with no stupid rules.

Couldn't agree more. I think allowing Turdo Diesels in hasn't helped either. Ballast also doesn't help.

I'm personally not bothered if one marque dominates because they do a good job, it's the way motorsport is and you can't have a fluffy form of motorsport where everyone wins some of the time yet the racing is actually fair and exciting, it just doesn't exist. There are winners and then there are LOSERS. It's just the way motorsport is.

[havk]

Yes totally agree with 2 posts above. So there is no good international touring car series.

The same king of rules are in BTCC "Sunday’s third round grid is decided by the finishing order of the second race but, uniquely, with the leading positions reversed"; "After both the first and second races on Sunday, the following weight handicaps are added to the top five finishers’ cars before the start of races two and three respectively: 1st – 45kgs; 2nd – 36kgs; 3rd – 27kgs; 4th – 18kgs; 5th – 9kgs. Sixth place or lower does not carry any ballast" by http://www.btcc.net/html/regulations.php

I wonder if the same situation is in Swedish Touring Car Championship?

An interesting touring car championship could be International Superstars Series. First it was Italian Championship but in 2007 was added International Superstars Series. I will see how this series is developing. http://www.superstars.it/eng/

[BobbyC]

A reverse grid with a points reward would make sense in Race Two:

3 points - Driver who makes up most grid positions in second race.
2 points - Driver who makes up second-most grid positions in second race.
1 point - Driver who makes up third-most grid positions in second race.

5 points - Driver who wins first race (starts last) wins race two.
3 points - Driver who was second in first race wins race two OR race one winner wins.
1 point - Driver who was third in first race wins race two, second in first race is second in race two, or winner of first race is third in race two.

Two point bonus for a driver who can sweep the two races.

In theory, 30 points could go to the driver who wins both races -- 10 for the two wins, 8 for the most improved driver.

When USAC Midgets ran the "Night Before F1" double feature midgets, that 25-lap oval race had the format with the 24-car format -- 25 green flag laps and each lap took around 20 seconds. The grid for Race Two was reverse Race One. If the guy who was dead last won, not only did he score the two races, $50,000 would be paid to the double winner.

WTCC promoters should take the cue from O'Reilly Raceway Park and consider both a points bonus and a cash bonus. Maybe both the points reward and EUR 10,000 bonus each weekend with cash carry-over each week would send fans happy. If someone won, half to the winner and half to the winner's charity.

Imagine a driver, down by 21 points, in the final weekend of the season, runs off and wins the first race while the points leader finishes second (gains 2 points). So both cars are sent to the rear for race two. The points leader crashes out, and the winner of race one passes everyone to win. That's 10 points gained on the points leader. (Down now by 9 points). He gained the most positions, naturally, in the second race and collects the three-point bonus. But since he was the race winner, he collects five points. That puts the lead down to one. But that's a clean sweep -- two more points. That driver has won the title by dominating the final weekend.

Winning both ends of the race should be worth the 10,000 euro and equivalent to a third win.

[Eurotech]

thats a complicated but brilliant Idea

[Bezza]

A reverse grid with a points reward would make sense in Race Two:

3 points - Driver who makes up most grid positions in second race.
2 points - Driver who makes up second-most grid positions in second race.
1 point - Driver who makes up third-most grid positions in second race.

5 points - Driver who wins first race (starts last) wins race two.
3 points - Driver who was second in first race wins race two OR race one winner wins.
1 point - Driver who was third in first race wins race two, second in first race is second in race two, or winner of first race is third in race two.

Two point bonus for a driver who can sweep the two races.

In theory, 30 points could go to the driver who wins both races -- 10 for the two wins, 8 for the most improved driver.

When USAC Midgets ran the "Night Before F1" double feature midgets, that 25-lap oval race had the format with the 24-car format -- 25 green flag laps and each lap took around 20 seconds. The grid for Race Two was reverse Race One. If the guy who was dead last won, not only did he score the two races, $50,000 would be paid to the double winner.

WTCC promoters should take the cue from O'Reilly Raceway Park and consider both a points bonus and a cash bonus. Maybe both the points reward and EUR 10,000 bonus each weekend with cash carry-over each week would send fans happy. If someone won, half to the winner and half to the winner's charity.

Imagine a driver, down by 21 points, in the final weekend of the season, runs off and wins the first race while the points leader finishes second (gains 2 points). So both cars are sent to the rear for race two. The points leader crashes out, and the winner of race one passes everyone to win. That's 10 points gained on the points leader. (Down now by 9 points). He gained the most positions, naturally, in the second race and collects the three-point bonus. But since he was the race winner, he collects five points. That puts the lead down to one. But that's a clean sweep -- two more points. That driver has won the title by dominating the final weekend.

Winning both ends of the race should be worth the 10,000 euro and equivalent to a third win.

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1 for pole
1 for FL

No reverse grids.

Two races of 25 laps or one of 15 and one of 30 (with a pitstop).

This applies to BTCC and WTCC.

SIMPLE AND EFFECTIVE.

[charles1]

The Bureau, chaired by Jonathan Ashman, president of the FIA Touring Car Commission, oversees the sporting regulations and ensures that costs do not spiral out of control, as they have done in so many other motor racing championships.Ashman said: “The Bureau is there to assist a manufacturer to cost-effectively adapt a road car into a racing car. Ordinarily, manufacturers would have to resort to expensive solutions to get them racing. But we can vary the regulations to make sure a manufacturer can be competitive without spending lots of money.”
This does not mean that the Bureau makes decisions which settle races. Rather it helps a manufacturer to get into a position from which it can begin to be competitive.As Ashman put it: “We help them to get onto the bottom rung of the competitive ladder. But then getting them to the top is up to the team and the drivers.”The other members of the Bureau are Gabriele Cadringher, President of the FIA Manufacturers' Commission, and Jacques Berger, President of the FIA Technical Commission. All decisions made between the three have to be unanimous.It is certainly working as the price of an average competitive touring car has only risen by 10 per cent over the last four years. Much of this is because under the regulations there are not a lot of areas to throw money at. Ashman said: “We don’t use major electronics or hydraulics so there is no opportunity to spend in those areas.”


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