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6th December 2006, 13:55 #1
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Customer Cars
Looks like there could be a storm brewing over Super Aguri & Toro Rosso's plans to run (their own versions of?) 2006 Honda & Red Bull cars in 2007
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/55924
IMHO they should be allowed to run 'customer cars' if they want to, but apparently this should not happen until 2008.Riccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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6th December 2006, 13:57 #2
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How can you stop them tho? If they own the rights to the design?
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6th December 2006, 14:36 #3
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I think that's the problem though. Is it their design or not? They argue 'yes' but others say 'no' and proving the case one way or another could be...errrr...difficult.
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6th December 2006, 15:40 #4
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I Super Aguri's case they will probably do what Torro Rosso did this year. Buy the interlectual property rightes from Honda, make a few small changes and then build the cars themselves, it would conform to the letter of the rules I believe.
As for Torro Rosso, I think they're currently trying to work out a way to run the same Newey chassis that RBR will run next year. Cant see that happening myself.
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6th December 2006, 18:20 #5
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Aren't we really looking at Factory " A " and " B " teams ?
The Factory teams will share information & technology with one another anyway...
so shouldn't F-1 accept the facts and get on with the show ?
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6th December 2006, 20:44 #6
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confusing rules
As far as I can tell Super Aguri are within the current rules because their 2007 car is based on intellectual property rights which are NOT held by another F1 constructor. The 2007 Honda will have a different chassis altogether.
However Toro Rosso and Red Bull, according to the link, intend to effectively share the same chassis for 2007 which, again as far I can tell, is not allowed. Presumably because this would mean sharing the same intellectual property rights.
Perhaps some of the other constructors have been miffed by Super Aguri's sudden turn of speed in the recent winter tests.
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7th December 2006, 02:05 #7
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Originally Posted by trumperZ06
Now it's perfectly OK for 'A' and 'B' teams that are using exactly the same cars, not just similar ones.
If it wasn't OK for Sauber to apparently copy the F2003-GA and run as Ferrari's defacto 'B' team in 2004, then it's not OK for Super Aguri and Torro Rosso to use a any other car than one they have designed themselves. The rules haven't changed since '04 and by the letter of the law, the two 'B' teams should have to wait until 2008 before getting the 'A' team's hand-me-downs.
I can perfectly understand why Spyker are resisting Super Aguri's attempts to get a Honda chassis. Afterall, no one is going to give Spyker a race winning car to play with.Forza Ferrari!!
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7th December 2006, 11:09 #8
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Originally Posted by SleeperWhen in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout
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7th December 2006, 11:23 #9
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Originally Posted by HawkmoonRiccardo Patrese - 256GPs 1977-1993
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7th December 2006, 12:29 #10
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