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14th February 2008, 23:37 #11
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If champcar continues, without question, I'm watchin!!!!
:champion:car Continuing since 1909
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15th February 2008, 00:12 #12
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SoCalPVGuy,
Does it matter if there is a screw up in the unification process?
Not really.
By the end of April, the dust will have settled and we will be able to choose what we want to watch. Whether teams switch to the IRL or not, there will be at least one AOWR series running in 2008.
Now, the IRL may have some new teams and Champ Car may lose some teams. Champ Car could still fold. You know, I am so exasperated with the whole situation, just like you are. However, I am so glad to see the two sides talking again that I am prepared to wait and see.
Have no fear, based on the information we do know and the events thus far, it is almost certain that the split will end this year.
Money, or the lack of it in the Champ Car series will see an end to this mess. I for one, will be glad to finally see one series again.
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15th February 2008, 04:08 #13
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Originally Posted by Miatanut
There was no unified intention to merge. It is clear that the discord created an opportunity to weaken CC and perhaps push for a rapid, poorly planned "merger" that strongly favors the IRL and leaves the CC teams, promoters, suppliers, and fans in the cold. That plan seems to have been stopped. The rumour attacks continue however, in an effort to pull CC apart by creating uncertainty. The CC brass still have the best race operations in the business, but they will need to act quickly to stabilize the team, move forward and run the contracted '08 season - which is only 8 weeks away.
Perhaps then they can work with the IRL to put together an agrement that takes the best of both series an gives us an AOWS that we can all be proud of.
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15th February 2008, 04:17 #14
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Originally Posted by Sandfly
I agree for the most part. TG's approach was to attack from within as oppose to a full frontal assault, as he has done in the past, and failed. CC needs to take control of their own future and come out with a deifinitive statement as to what's happening. Spring Training is next month in Laguna Seca and we still don't know if there is going to be a Champ Car series or not."Racing is life. Everything before or after, is just waiting." Steve McQueen, Le Mans
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15th February 2008, 11:07 #15
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Actually, when I read that article, it sounds quite good to me. If the truth is exactly as what RM stated, then there's a very clear picture that the only obstacle in the way is Gerry Forsythe who seems to "drag his feet" a little bit. Long Beach will go to IRL in 2009, KK is heading towards IRL. And maybe they will just pack up after Long Beach as what the article stated, then it sounds just right to me since it looks like there's a strong possiblity Honda doesn't want to move the date so there needs to be a race at Long Beach and that's what Champ Car will probably do at its last step. Oh and last, they are having a meeting today, so the things might get a little more clearer after a few more hours.
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15th February 2008, 17:06 #16
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Originally Posted by speeddurango
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16th February 2008, 07:28 #17
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Originally Posted by mikiec
If Honda and IRL is willing to move the race date, then that makes Honda look really good and shows that they have flexibility and are willing to bend on issues for the good of all open wheel racing fans.
If the IRL is also willing to move the race date, then that makes TG a good as it shows he’s a good guy and willing to work towards some merger deal.
You going to have to explain to me exactly what the downside is by stating what happened at a meeting in Japan? That meeting is now approximately one week old in time. What exactly would the harm be in stating that Honda has complete flexibility and is willing to work towards a merger deal by moving a simple date?
It makes absolutely no sense at all not to mention or make even ONE kind of squeak statement about what happened in Japan? In fact we hear nothing zero, zlitch, not a peep from anyone. Now, exactly where is Robin Miller when you need him? You mean RM can’t make a phone call to his IRL sources to report the results of the meeting? You would think robin Miller would at least call someone and ask a what happened at SIMPLE meeting in Japan to move a simple race date?
Why is all of sudden Robert Miller so quiet on this issue? What happned to such an important meeting that robin Miller can not get any details about?
It sounds to me this trip to Japan was for a greater reason then some race date.
Considering that TG and the head of Honda USA performance went on this trip, we have to ask what exactly was that they were asking for from Honda? My spider sense tells me that they were going to the Honda brass and executives to ask for more money to pay for some of these teams in a merger.
The problem here is exactly what is the benefit to the Honda executives in Japan who have to fork out additional money to these yanks that screwed this up and created this mess in the first place? Why should the executives and Honda brass in Japan pay for TG to get control of open wheel racing? Why should Honda pay for these mistakes is no doubt what the exectives at Honda in Japan are asking themselves at this moment in time?
Without additional information as to what transpired at this meeting in Japan, I am certainly speculating as to the above. However, my spider sense tells me that Honda wants to bail on this whole thing altogether, and the IRL is simply in crisis mode.
It would be pretty hard to believe that someone as a result of this meeting would not leak or give some information to someone like Robin Miller. For Honda/IRL to come out with information that they are willing to move this race date would ALSO make the champ car people once again look very bad and appear as not being flexible.
There’s just absolutely no reason for any information about the meetings in Japan to be withheld from the public, but that is exactly what we see occurring at this point in time.
Albert D. Kallal
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16th February 2008, 10:00 #18
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Originally Posted by Albert D. Kallal
As far as Honda is concerned, you could be right. I might even go further and speculate that Honda may have given Tony George an ultimatum to work out a deal with CCWS or they are gone after 2008 (when's the contract up?). That may not be true, but it's sure fun to think about..."Racing is life. Everything before or after, is just waiting." Steve McQueen, Le Mans
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8th September 2008, 20:19 #19Originally Posted by garyshell
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8th September 2008, 20:47 #20Originally Posted by weeflyonthewall
I regards to the quote from me, precisely the same. The sponsors who control the purse strings and thereby the entire series, still are only really interested in the 500. They know in order to sponsor there, that they have to sign on for a full year. But without the 500, they would have no interest at all.
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
Which one of you made this lol
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