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What use is there to try to convince you? :p :
I can just hope I won't be put into the McC&L fans position. :D

You $£*&^%$"£$%&^*&^$%£ ! :p : ;)

If they were in such deep $hit as McL&C are now? Don't think so.

What investigation? There was no investigation about the provenience of the system at that moment.

"without prejudice" might be a simple term but it is still meaningful.

There is no doubt about that.

Sometimes I have the impression that Arrows is Ron Dennis' counselor, or even Ron himself.
One can easily draw a parallel between how both behave in this case.

There is always a bit space for innovation to better every design, the only question is if it's worth the huge costs involved with it.

You mean we should just accept that McLaren lied and cheated, and lied and cheated again, and than lied again and tried to cheat again next season.
And because they issued a letter where they...

That is however more than enough.

Great post. :)
Gives the McLaren fans something to chew on. ;)

It's even worse than that. Now that Ron told them that they won't deliver any McLaren shaded glasses, their fanatics are disappointed about this decision.

"This" form is a new one, in this case McLaren were continuously receiving the Ferrari data from a Ferrari engineer during several months.

I doubt this ever happened before in F1.

And on top of...

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And some people call me a fanatic.

Arrows, what about McLaren acknowledging that the FIA were right and that the team was cheating and lying all the way?

You supported them all the way too.
How does it feel now?

Don't take it seriously, it was just a joke! :)

Bookmarked! ;)

He might have to spend sometime in a cold place.

The most mind boggling aspect for me was how people were blinded by their hate towards the FIA and Ferrari while completely missing McLaren's wrong doings.

I also ask myself what Mercedes top...

People were calling Ferrari and MS cheaters for more than a decade with no proof.
I only called McLaren and RD cheaters when there was a reason to it.
It's only a matter of principles.

Being...

Have to give it to Max he's pulling the curtains on this affair in an elegant way! There's a good reason why he is at the top! :D

I guess not, unless someone here works for Ferrari or McLaren, or if Stepney or Coughlan visit this forum.

We might however guess it's some high end technology that mcLaren didn't discover before...

The difference is that they final acknowledge what Max was saying about the team.
That they were using the illegally obtained Ferrari data even if they were denying it.

Not easy to digest, is...

I was thinking about the same thing earlier. Still Ron is the one who's integrity went with this occasion.

One real man on the list! :up:

How can they call that letter "Private and Confidential" and than post it on their site?!