Some information released yesterday about the second edition of the Central European Rally which will again include 18 Special Stages & 310kms of competitive action:
https://www.centraleuropeanrally.eu/...g-rally-action
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Some information released yesterday about the second edition of the Central European Rally which will again include 18 Special Stages & 310kms of competitive action:
https://www.centraleuropeanrally.eu/...g-rally-action
The shakedown is going to be on Prague outskirts. Most likely on one stage known from Prague Rallysprint.
Wich are the best Spectator spots?
thanks
Hello,
anybody know if stageside camping is possible here or there?
Also would like to know the good spots to spectate!
Maybe it has been said elsewhere but 15 women have been selected for a training at M-Sport Poland next week: 3 of them will be selected to make a Rally3 drive in Central Europa Rally and in the end, one will be selected for a Junior WRC program next year.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-r...ent-finalists/
Took a brief look at their results on ewrc as I knew only the name of 3 of them: sounds like Raftery has much more experience than the others (but limited potential).
Also a question mark about which male drivers will be there to have something to compare … probably Filip Kohn at least.
to Duvel
1. Yes, it's somehow tolerated during the rally, better if the owner agrees.
2. From each stage there will be onboard video soon. For now, you can watch last year's videos. However, not many of this year's stages were on itinerary in 2023. E.g. powerstage is 90% the same as the 2023 version.
Shakedown - 100% new
SS1 - same as last year
SS 2/3/6 Klatovy - 90% is new, only the first kilometre of the stage is the same as before.
SS 4/7 Strasin- 100% new stage, approx. 15 km of the stage is in the opposite direction to last year's stage.
SS5/8 Sumavske Hostice - 80% of this stage was run last year, 20% is new.
SS 9/12 Granit und Wald - 100% new stage
SS10/13 Beyond Borders - 85% new stage, last 2km in the opposite direction, 15% same as last year,
SS11/14 Schardinger Innviertel - 100% new stage, last 5 km in the opposite direction
SS15/17 Hochwald - 100% new stage
SS16/18 Passauer Land - 90% same as last year, 10% new
Got my tickets today !!! Can't wait to be there....Hope the weather helps as well
Last year this YT channel made "recce" videos for all the stages:
https://youtube.com/@ghrallyemotion?feature=shared
Maybe he is going to do it again this year, if not it is still worth looking at a few of them as not the whole route is new.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kudy
Any more info on stage onboard videos coming soon? Thanks in advance
https://x.com/OfficialWRC/status/183...7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The 3 winners of the Beyond Rally program with the prize drive in Central Europa in Fiesta Rally3.
A bit surprising not to see Raftery which was the most experienced.
Not an easy one for Schonborn to almost begin in straight rally with a WRC round (just one e-rally so far where she did rather good).
For me it is quite nonsense to send them directly to WRC round...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
+ with a 4WD car.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Globally agree on that point, I’m skeptical about making such a big jump without a transition period with for exemple Rally4 car in ERC.
Baudet sounds in better situation for Central Europa with more experience on pure rallying and tarmac but still a big jump from Belgian championship RC5 drives (and e-rally cup).
Should be much harder for the Finnish one IMO.
Schonborn can be surprising on some stages with her hill experience but I doubt she can match on a full Rally all 3 days.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kudy
Thanks for the info, hope to be there!
i have info that GH brings onboards at the beginning of next week.
Anyway if you want here is onboard from SS2/3/6 Klatovy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNqdBWmFwQ8
And a complicated tarmac rally like CER.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I expect around 40 entries only.
In total?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Yes :(
I think today they are published , correct ?
Yes.
Good to see Solberg (even outside WRC2) he definitely needs tarmac starts.
Will be interesting to see Pajari in Rally1 when he was nowhere near top in Rally2 last year.
44 entries for a WRC round in the middle of europe is quit weak isn't it?
Yes, but "normal" these days. Poland had 42, Latvia 38. Croatia 67.
honestly, looks good to me. a decent number, all cars rally1/2/3 (and a rgt), good average quality of the drivers, an easy amount of car to be managed by the marshalls to avoid delays, and manageable also for spectator to have time to move between ss.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
i think around 50 car from the top 3 classes is a good call for wrc round looking for an "elite" rally event.
So poor entry list is now an advantage? You must be working at FIA ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
I mean I'm not really complaining, just surprised. Not so long ago you had 80-90 entries on european events and Mexico was considered a bit silly with only 38 entries for example.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
mate, why don't you focus on the arguments instead of making cheap irony...
there's a lot people here complaining that the sport is dying but never gets where the return of interest everybody seeks is.
i don't think short=poor. in this case poor is very wrong wording: There's only rally1/2/3 cars (top tiers, all awd). the average quality of drivers is high (wrc, wrc2, erc contender. good regional player, manus backed drivers in the lower tiers (i.e clio rally3). that's very marketable for the promoter.
event wise in handling world tier event lower number + high quality is the best case. (almost all world championships are limited, being team sport or individual -take olympics as example -).
we can pretend is not true, but a vast majority of people attending wrc race live moves to other ss after 10/15 cars, generating quite some management and safety issues.
for logistic of marshalls and course director, is the same: more cars=more running time, more crash/delaying issue probability, less time to set up and restore the ss and arrange the spectators. like it or not, focus of wrc event is on top 1/2 tiers. all the activities prioritize wrc/wrc2.
shorter run time also means shorter road closure (not only for ss, but regroup, media zone, tyre fitting, etc) getting less fuss from residents and local administration, as well as with space logistics in towns to host service areas, parc fermè. (also smaller parc fermè can be installed in iconic places/landmarks in town, generating pr/marketing value)
and so on, there's more...
point is: promoting-wise, it's the quality that makes the roi, not the number. a smaller event is more manageable and way more marketable IF quality is high.
44 entries in 3 coutries with so much rally history can't be good. Say what you want. It is bad, very bad. WRC is dying.
In Saudi Arabia we will have 9 cars and 2 camels?
I don't think this entry list is a reflection on the WRC - and I think that's a harsh comparison. The entry list for WRC2 and WRC3 throughout the season is at a record high (or close to). The elite level is doing well.
I think this entry list is a clear reflection on this event and the complexity, cost and ballache that it creates. It's a nightmare to move constantly for recce, then for the event too.
Competitors have clearly voted with their feet and decided this event is just not worth it. It's a failed experiment in format. I'd be surprised if it continues - or is allowed to continue....
Is it possible small amount of entries is done on purpose? Poland and Latvia had quite decent amount of entries in ERC in 2023 and much smaller in WRC in 2024. Maybe WRC wants to avoid organizational issues and push their entry fee higher to limit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
WRC events brings more spectators and many of them are interested only in Rally1 and Rally2.
And I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Ditch this one and bring back Croatia.
Was a nice experiment indeed
As I wrote a page ago Poland had 42 entries Latvia 38.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
So if you want to start ditching for sub 50 entries in Europe you have quite a few rallies to ditch.
Entry numbers should not be the entire basis for determining the success of a rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In the case of CER, it's clear that it's just not working as a concept.
rally1 rally2 and rally3 entrys tell the opposite. i think people here are too stuck in the past and into that kind of mentality that is "it's always been like this, so has to be good". time are changing and the needs for those who finance the sport too. i ll not be surprised if this kind of entry list will become somewhat the standard (ignore it or not, we had already a lot of rounds like this in recent times, from Mexico to Latvia, maybe even with lesser quality).Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
And somehow is not so strange or even a bad thing that a wrc round is too complex for sunday drivers... think at montecarlo - the most historical estate in wrc - for them is normal to ditch the bottom of the classification for the last day...
another little thing about return of interest in wrc event promotion (but also apply to erc): most of the drivers in the long list are quite invisible on social media, and I'm talking about fan footage, not official reportage. this has to be taken into account. interest is in top 20 - maybe less - cars.
If it is not entry numbers I don't get what is "clear". Especially after it was only run once.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
From my side the part which is stupid is starting in Prague and the location of the service park in relation to the stages.
The locations of the (normal) stages, the stages themselves and the idea of rally in 3 countries next to each other I see no "clear" problems with.
If there are not enough entries that only means it is too expensive for most.
true, but world-level sport events (including wrc rallies) are not aiming at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Mate, I didn't want to offend you. Don't take it personally, please :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
So what do you think? That short = good? How come? Everyone complains about decreasing number of entries in WRC, but you say it is a good trend? When I started watching rallies an event with entry list below 60 crews was considered a flop. This rally has 44 entries and you consider it a good quality event? 44 entries in the middle of Europe, the hotbed of rally sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
You say that "short is good", but even Rally1 manufacturers want more entries:
"it’s clear that we need more brands, we need more cars, we need more drivers, we need more show" - Cyril Abiteboul from Hyundai
"As a Toyota car manufacturer, I hope that this would give some sort of message to other car manufacturers to take part in WRC" - Jari-Matti Latvala from Toyota
There is a difference between what types of extra entries.
2 top category cars are infinitely more important than 20 extra Rally 3/4 cars.