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17th August 2018, 16:22
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

you are the reason old people should not get internet access...

You are the reason the internet is a sewer.
17th August 2018, 16:22
dimviii

nice time from Solans with the new generation pirellis.Pitty that he checked 4 min later and dropped to 7th at general classification.
Without that he would be just 4,5 sec behind Kopecky .
17th August 2018, 16:38
racerx1979

Wow, are they really wasting our time with a bunch of kids playing a sh!tty simulator on All live??
17th August 2018, 16:39
eib1

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Originally Posted by Tarmop

Well, the lack of kilometres didn`t...

BUT
At the moment we have three manuf. in Top 3. They are followed a bit further down again by 4 manuf. fighting in 3 seconds. It`s not only about the cars, mostly i`d say drivers. Probably without Tänak we`d be talking also about the lack of pace from Toyota cars.

Agree, no need to talk about domination yet. All 4 manu-s are fast, it`s all about drivers and their skills to setup a car. Without Tänak Toyota`s results would be pretty poor. Ott has the best mechanical/technical skills imo, he knows what has to be done to be fast and he is clearly showing it this year. If he had gone to Citroen or Hyundai, the result have been pretty much the same. The guy is genius, nothing more
17th August 2018, 16:40
flykas

I wouldn't call that a simulator.
17th August 2018, 16:42
dimviii

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Originally Posted by er88

Neuville has a 20 odd point advantage in the championship to think about. He has to produce a thinking man's drive - he can't do what Ott is doing and drive flat out to win every remaining event. Ogier has to beat Neuville in every remaining event yet there's only 7seconds between Thierry and Seb. Neuville isn't off the pace, he's where he needs to be.

As for Sordo, he just isn't on the level of the top 3 drivers (even on tarmac anymore imo), but is still fighting for 4th. Yes the Hyundai isn't perfect on tarmac but it's almost like some people are trying to convince themselves that the i20 is bad here.

very well said.
17th August 2018, 16:43
Sulland

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Originally Posted by Eric

Mikkelsen suddenly faster than Neuville trying a new driving style

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tauri_J

since ss1 he's driving with "new style"

In his own words;

"The style reminds me of when I did this rally with Thierry before Christmas - the Monza Rally - when I was his passenger. I'm trying this new style with no trail braking at all."
17th August 2018, 16:44
Tauri_J

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Originally Posted by racerx1979

Wow, are they really wasting our time with a bunch of kids playing a sh!tty simulator on All live??

lol they are god awful too
17th August 2018, 16:45
Tauri_J

"WRC7 has stopped working" lmfao
17th August 2018, 16:52
HaCo

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Originally Posted by AMSS

What happened to Kreim on SS2?

Kreim doing exceptional well in his home rally, pitty for the puncture he had on ss2.
17th August 2018, 16:57
HaCo

TN with right front damage, light is missing
17th August 2018, 16:57
dimviii

Νeuville didnt commented at stage end?
17th August 2018, 16:59
racerx1979

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Originally Posted by Tauri_J

lol they are god awful too

And yes, they should at least use a real simulator.. what a joke.
17th August 2018, 17:00
HaCo

Seb throwing the car a lot... nice to watch!
17th August 2018, 17:03
HaCo

Middle part of Weiskirchen much nicer to spectate!
17th August 2018, 17:06
EstWRC

nice, calm day for Tänak! the stages of next days should suit the car even better.
17th August 2018, 17:06
spiderem

evans to push hard and get in front of Neuville for Seb...
17th August 2018, 17:25
HaCo

Greensmith limping through the stage...
17th August 2018, 17:26
rallyfiend

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Originally Posted by HaCo

Greensmith limping through the stage...

That's better than his hospitalised co-driver can do...
17th August 2018, 17:37
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaCo

Greensmith limping through the stage...

he mentioned broken driveshaft at previous stage
17th August 2018, 17:47
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderem

evans to push hard and get in front of Neuville for Seb...

Evans has beaten Neuville on the last two stages. Just 10s gap now.
17th August 2018, 17:57
Fast Eddie WRC

Makinen confirming the Toyota engine joker has made a difference.. more driveable and torquey. Said it will also be even better in Spanish tarmac.

Cooling problem also addressed so should be ok for Turkey.
17th August 2018, 18:03
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

In his own words;

"The style reminds me of when I did this rally with Thierry before Christmas - the Monza Rally - when I was his passenger. I'm trying this new style with no trail braking at all."

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.
17th August 2018, 18:06
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no
17th August 2018, 18:13
mknight

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Could anyone explain what did he mean? I don't know this term.

I googled it. Seem that it means braking into the first part of the turn. Which is a bit strange since Citroen said last year he wasnt left-foot braking. (maybe they meant "tapping" the brakes).
Anyway he said he stopped doing it in SS6 and suddenly he was fastest Hyundai with similar time in next stage too.

Doesn't change that Hyundai is getting beaten by both Toyota and MSPORT on their home rally.
17th August 2018, 18:15
Sulland

Attachment 1624

https://driver61.com/uni/trail-braking/

As far as I read it is what we call left foot braking to balance the car.
In a racecar it used to je called tiptoe when using right foot if you need to clutch at the same time.
17th August 2018, 18:16
Mirek

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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Attachment 1624

Thanks, I thought it's this but I was not sure ;)
17th August 2018, 18:17
Fast Eddie WRC

Ogier at end of last stage saying he's happy with the new aero and the car chassis, so seeming to indicate he's maybe not so happy with the power.
Is there an engine upgrade coming ?
17th August 2018, 18:20
racerx1979

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubaruNorway

Trail braking is braking into the apex, Neuville brakes before the corner and then throws it in compared to Mikkelsen's smoother driving style. It's mainly a diff issue from what i remember from Mikkelsen's interview with parcferme.no

Neuville driving style similar to Scandinavian style where as Andreas is smoother similar to Seb O and Seb L.
17th August 2018, 18:22
Mirek

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Ogier at end of last stage saying he's happy with the new aero and the car chassis, so seeming to indicate he's maybe not so happy with the power.
Is there an engine upgrade coming ?

Ogier's car engineer (who is Czech by the way) told to mediasport/ewrc crew yesterday that according to him the aero changes are not expected to be felt that much by the driver. He was anyway confident that they are strongly prepared. He also said that except the aero the car of Evans is identical and even the settings is nearly same.
17th August 2018, 18:25
dimviii

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Thanks, I thought it's this but I was not sure ;)

as SubaruNorway mentioned,all this requires different diff settings.
generally if you do trail braking you cant use tight settings at front diff,because tight settings tends to understeer a lot without pressing the gas pedal.If you have understeer its difficult to find the corners apex/loosing the ideal line
Tight settings will help with better traction,but will understeer ie at slippy corners without pressing the gas pedal(imagine now corners at ashpalt with gravel dirt=undrivable/dangerous for crashing)
You have to find the sweet spot.Something is not easy when between all these you have to change settings at center electronic diff/ rear diff,suspension etc.
17th August 2018, 18:27
Mirek

In R5 Veiby seems to be completely lost after his crashing spree and also Lefebvre is slower than I expected.
17th August 2018, 18:28
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

as SubaruNorway mentioned,all this requires different diff settings.
generally if you do trail braking you cant use tight settings at front diff,because tight settings tends to understeer a lot without pressing the gas pedal.If you have understeer its difficult to find the corners apex/loosing the ideal line
Tight settings will help with better traction,but will understeer ie at slippy corners without pressing the gas pedal(imagine now corners at ashpalt with gravel dirt=undrivable/dangerous for crashing)
You have to find the sweet spot.Something is not easy when between all these you have to change settings at center electronic diff/ rear diff,suspension etc.

Thanks, I know this :) I was just not sure if I properly understand the English term ;)
17th August 2018, 18:31
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Ogier's car engineer (who is Czech by the way) told to mediasport/ewrc crew yesterday that according to him the aero changes are not expected to be felt that much by the driver. He was anyway confident that they are strongly prepared.

In Finland it might have been the change of dampers almost without testing that was as much or more important than aero.
17th August 2018, 18:32
Mirek

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Originally Posted by mknight

In Finland it might have been the change of dampers almost without testing that was as much or more important than aero.

Exactly my thinking. I can only judge from Škoda swapping from Reiger to Sachs between S2000 and R5 and I know that it was quite painful at the beginning.
17th August 2018, 18:39
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Škoda swapping from Reiger to Sachs between S2000 and R5 and I know that it was quite painful at the beginning.

VW were struggling with them as well to work proper I think.
17th August 2018, 18:43
Mirek

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

VW were struggling with them as well to work proper I think.

I don't mean that. I meant that they were very different in characteristics and in philosophy and required a complex change of settings and geometry.
17th August 2018, 18:53
Mirek

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?
17th August 2018, 18:56
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?

They said already in Finland that the change is only for gravel. So same as before.
17th August 2018, 18:57
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Anyway which dampers is Ogier using here in Germany?

trying to find a photo from previous rally,nobody cared to took one.

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