What about the Porsche that ran in Finland? Wasn't that a 997?Quote:
Originally Posted by CWJ
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What about the Porsche that ran in Finland? Wasn't that a 997?Quote:
Originally Posted by CWJ
Q& with Richard Tuthill on MaxRally: http://www.maxrally.com/2014/08/21/qa-richard-tuthill
Some interesting answers:
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We’re at a good point with the car, but I wouldn’t say that what we see here is the definitive version, and next we’re working on bringing out the car in gravel specification for Rally GB, which will be another different ball game.
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The power and the noise are fantastic and of course Porsche handling is legendary. Traction can be a bit of an issue, particularly out of some of the uphill hairpins like you see on Rallye Deutschland, but equally the engine is at the rear, so this helps to gain grip.
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In the end, it’s designed to compete against other RGT cars, so you can’t really expect to compare it to the other cars on Rallye Deutschland this year. It’s got a similar power to weight ratio to the Group N cars but rear-wheel drive, so inevitably it’s going to lose some time to them. Basically our mission here is to show the car to the best of our abilities and give people something to remember.
A respectable 31st place for Tuthill on SS1, ahead of most RC3 and several RC2.
solid performance on the 1st stage!
Crazy optic car, could be a 997 but is a totally different (only FIN) story. Did it got a restrictor? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vepe
The Porsche in Finland also ran under RGT rules, so it must also have had a restrictor. But I don't know many details.Quote:
Originally Posted by CWJ
Pitty for FIA restriction, because those 911's have one thing, which no R3, R5, WRC...can offer : Wonderful enigine sound! Once you hear Zeltner or Dobberkau in full action, you forget everything else, including WRC cars.....even old 2.0l kitcars can not match against 6-cylinder flat N/A engine....
Not to mention to owe balls of a bull to drive rear engined 911 on the limit on proper rally stage....
It seemed to gather lots of interest. I hope they get some customers for these cars. And maybe, possibly Prodrive thinking about a Vantage GT3 RGT.....
R-GT regulation doesn't presribe a restrictor, they just mention a weight/power ratio 3.4Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
And: I'v heart something about an R-GT cup in ERC for 2014 with Ypres above else...
And there will be more RGTs in WRC and ERC: Romain Dumas will enter Rally France with a Porsche 911 GT3 RS RGT. He also wants to start in Corsica.
http://www.motorsport-total.com/rall...-14082505.html
Ah, that's good to hear. I did wonder whether he'd enter Rally France - and in a Porsche, now there is the RGT category. Just need to get Timo Bernhard out in one.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
997 GT3 Cup version and it was not one on-off race, there will be more starts...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vepe
It looks like François Delecour will be driving Tuthill's Porsche at Rally de France.
http://www.echappement.com/2014/09/d...-presque-fait/
So we will for the first time see some RGTs competing against each other. Very exciting!
the latest Motorsport Monday contains the following in an article on 2015 WRC proposals.
"There is also a proposal for a new FIA R-GT cup in 2015, for asphalt events including Monte Carlo, Ypres, Deutschland, Valais and Corsica."
While 2015 calendars are yet to be confirmed it would appear this cup will be a mixture of WRC and ERC events.
refer page 62 for full article http://digital.motorsportmonday.com/...9-769e9c80733e
Wow, it looks like somebody was reading some of my suggestions how to improve the WRC...
I like the one: Banning split times info on dashboard.
WRC has published a video special about Tuthill and his Porsche at Rallye Deutschland:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N82onSK0V4
Tuthill also mentions the idea of an RGT cup.
Good promotion, but did I hear correctly?? Due to restriction just 320 HP?? That is app.130 KP less than a stock version. Shame...Quote:
Originally Posted by wildboar
Yes, I even read somewhere that it was only 290hp in the end. But if I remember correctly, he also says something about the RGT regulations being new and hopefully getting refined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
The BMA Porsche that Snijers drove and won the East Belgian Rally has around 420 HP
Rally Guide 1 for Monte Carlo 2015 is out, and as an interesting detail, the rally also counts for
FIA RGT Cup for Drivers
FIA RGT Cup for Co-drivers
http://acm.mc/wp-content/uploads/201...Guide-1-GB.pdf
So it looks like the RGT Cup is going to happen! Are any other details known? Hopefully there will be a few entries in this category.
Good news! The Tuthill 911 RGT is allowed a larger restrictor for Rally de France, up from from 36 to 39mm now giving 350bhp (a rise of around 25bhp).
http://www.tuthillporsche.com/blog/f...he-wrc-france/
A change from 36 mm to 39 mm makes definitely more than 25 Hp ;) My rough estimation based on the restrictor area is 50 Hp (if 350 Hp with 39 mm is correct value).
I think you mean "if 350 Hp with 36 mm is correct value"Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
No, I meant it as I wrote it.
Ok, now I understand. I interpreted the ”up from from 36 to 39mm now giving 350bhp (a rise of around 25bhp)” that the 350 hp was with 36 mm restrictor. My bad, seems I don’t understand English properly.:)
What do the cars in Netherlands and such run? The Tuthill Porsche sounds nothing like those, i was a bit disappointed with the sound in Germany.
They don't have restrictors in my opinion. Stock 911 GT3 has way more power than R-GT and You don't need to do any engine rebuilds during the whole season. It's all stupid...
Very few Porsche's in the Netherlands, there were some a few years ago but those were more like "Group N", a bit like what Duez was driving in Monte Carlo. Rules in national rallying allow much more. Porsche's are more seen in France (GT+, search for Gilles Nantet, Romain Dumas etc), Belgium (Snijers, Vanparijs, Claerhout, Viaene etc) and Germany (Zeltner and Dobberkau for example). I think the rules in these 3 countries are quite similar. I think HP varies from 400 to 470hp. I know that the Porsche of BMA (that Snijers drove 2 times last year) had some 420-425hp, sequential gearbox, many ultra-light parts (the doors are like made of plastic), Reiger suspension with extra long suspension travel (modified to the original) and much more, it's a brilliant piece of engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsJLFKNATU0 The sound (or in this case music) is very different to what we've seen in WRC... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Exactly. A few years ago Tim Vanparijs (who is driving a Porsche GT3 since 2006) told me that the car was even cheaper to run than if you wanted to run a C2 R2 Max properly... Biggest costs are probably the tyres. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Also I think in Portugal and Spain rules are more free for the Porsches.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Well, in Portugal the rules are a bit unclear... because... teams can do almost what they want and then homologate the car into the GT Cup class... that have no regulation! Or, if there is one, it's based on a car built first.
I like the car, but I thin k this rules are a bit unfair to the guys who bought R5 and S2000! Speacially when you see R5/S2000 try to go as flat as they can over corners, and then you see the Porsche of Ze Pedro, brake later (since it as bigger brakes) slowly make the corner, and then bullet out of it and win rallys this way!
What is the rev limit on that Porsche, sounds wonderful!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Belive me that driving P911GT3 cup car on rally stages requiers "bull balls". The handling is very tricky, to find a limit with engine behind rear axle is nowhere so "easy job" like in rally spec cars R5/S2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
I staded already many times: 911 was never created for rallying, so to be fast or even faster than R5/S2000 is always related with a lot of risks. Respect to all 911 drivers....
Leading German 997 have 425 hp from 3.800cc engine, air restrictor, sequential 6 speed holinger gearbox and about 1.350kg empty weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Main difference to Belgium should be cylinder capacity?
What size of restrictor the German cars have?
The 2015 RGT Cup has officially been announced!
It will be run on these 5 events:
Rallye Monte-Carlo
GEKO Ypres Rally
Rallye Deutschland
Rallye International du Valais
Tour de Corse
Great news! I am looking forward to this and hope for decent entries.
http://www.tuthillporsche.com/blog/f...-cup-wrc-2015/
Now that I will watch on TV!
Very interesting debate on this topic in the french wrc round thread. I paste Mireks view in here because it capture the essence very well.
The GT class is in its infantcy right now, and FIA is playing with restrictors and power to get it right. The 911 is like a dragster, compared to a WRCar, fast on straights and slow in the corners. Like a 2wd group B car was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
If people like rally cars that are glued to the asfalt, you could watch track racing instead. Rally in my view is man controlling machines on the edge, and that the physical grip is loosing to power. It is entertainment, and the fans like that they need to be driven brutally, and not on railtracks.
A supercar in rallycross, is basically a WRCar with 600 hp, and needs to be driven on the edge, and often the pilots loose.
to get that back to Rally the key is with Michelin and how soft a tire is alowed to be. If they have to use hockey puck hardness, they would be entertaing for the customer (you and me)!
But as always the right balance is always hard to find straight away, so the testbed FIA is using the GT class as now, could be useful for other classes in Rally as well!
loved to see the 911, Nissan 350 and others they used in Belgium a few years back, sonce they had sound, slides and speed, and the drivers had to break before the bends, so safety was covered as well!
what cars will run in the class??