No, they can if they want to, but they're not required to. That's my point, they want to get rid of even the minimal, loose tie to a car that exists on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
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No, they can if they want to, but they're not required to. That's my point, they want to get rid of even the minimal, loose tie to a car that exists on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by giu canbera
If they are bespoke design, it means they don't resemble any road model. Getting rid of even the tiny factor that linked Rally1 with production model is just insulting...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
The non-European rally fans make up a tiny percentage of all rally fans, and I'd guess they probably know those models by other means, like videogames, Block gymkhana etc. They understand those are models from elsewhere in the world.
There's been one before, the McRae R4...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/the-one-o...-pure-driving/
Would we be happy seeing bespoke cars like this in WRC ?
Colin was planning for the R4 to be sold as road version too, in limited numbers. I'd be fine with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And it's not the only car in history to be "made up" for rallying. Few cars in France in the 70's, and I know there's Darrian in Britain and Ireland, which I don't think has produced any road version? But we're talking about national rallies and what, the 0.000001% of rally cars.
They agree to that because WRC is in need for new entries. If there would be constant interest from various brands through cycles or eras, they wouldn't open the regs so much. Also I think there will not be that much weird design of cars or teams with those cars. Maybe one, but as soon as they would somehow get some deal with brand, the car will look like some road model.
I know they won't resemble a particular named existing production (road) model, but from a distance they'll fit the generally accepted shape and look of what a production model would be to somebody who has no idea or care for there are not 10,000 of them all around the globe. They won't look like buggies, spaceships or dragsters, in other words.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
It's apparently not the shape, look or technical specs of these cars that bothers you, but that there aren't consumer production manufacturers involved. You say that's insulting, but it's commercial stuff reflecting the era we live in. It's a pivotal change but entirely necessary. If they didn't have to have done it, they wouldn't have done it. The only alternative is an amateur historics sport instead and no WRC at all.
Exactly, and with some positive imagination the sport could boom and some small time tuner could be the next cool production car brand. F1 wouldn't be where it is today if the garagistas hadn't made it cool, and some are now selling 'road cars'.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
They will look like the shape of a production model, then fans will ask "What is that car?" and the answer is "It's a Project Rally One Rally1, it's not based on any actual road model, you can't buy a road version and you can't find it anywhere else"... then look at the disappointment of the fans asking the question...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
It's not surprising that most comments on the Project Rally One announcement and on the FIA regs are people speculating what models these new cars are going to be... Porsche, Subaru BRZ, Honda Civic Type-R etc.
I'm all for cars like the Swedish Mitsubishi Mirage R5. In the Group A days, there were many Audi rally cars never used officially by Audi, but only privateers, or national importers: Coupé, 90, S2... This is a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Where is the red line? When are we going to say stop, it's not rallying anymore? What if in future they'll propose, because of commercial reasons and to boost entries, to allow SxS and motorbikes in WRC... or to have WRC rallies only inside circuits. I'm sure the vast majority of rally fans would hate that, that wouldn't be WRC anymore. Changing one of the core aspects of rallying/WRC to keep WRC alive is a contradiction. If WRC isn't sustainable anymore, I'd rather them to do a new discipline with these type of cars and scale down rallying to an ERC level, with privateers and semi works team.
They will look like the shape of a production model, then fans will ask "What is that car?" and the answer is "It's a Project Rally One Rally1"... then "OK thanks, I'm going to support that team because it's red and white and got cool drivers with Gen Z names like Lando. I follow him on Bik Bok"...Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
The middle aged people will learn they're getting old and will get used to it very quickly I'm sure. It's a big change. Older people will watch old videos on VHS and say "they look like real men there, not like these kids today".
We need to live in our times and not compare to the incomparable and unachievable. There were no commercial rights or promoter in Group A amateur privateer days and no Rally car extensions to Group A. Where is the red line? Maybe you will realise now it was put there 30 years ago and has been moving closer to you ever since. You decide, it's personal to you, but I think you will still be watching in the future ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Lol this is worse slippery slope than I've ever seen at Twitter, lol. You are starting to look a bit crazy, focus206. Just because rallying will allow cars that don't look like any car sold there will be motorbikes and racing only inside circuits? Also SxS would be better for you, wouldn't they? Because you can buy Polaris RZR and drive it on the roads. And didn't WRC change one of the core aspects of rallying in 90s, when kit-car and WRCs were introduced, basically blocking any private tuners?
Did you forget that tuners CAN use bespoke design, not must use it? They also can use body shape of any other car. And I bet most of them will. They can find some funding from local importers, it's much better marketable for customers and it will be much more interesting for the fans. There ara lot ofof upsides.
One situation where using bespoke design makes more sense is if some tuner tries to get support from the brands so they use generic design to show their car is top level. Or when some big investor that isn't behind any car brand cames, like Bahrain did in Dakar.
Also again, 90% of rally fans don't even know that current Rally1s are also on the space frame. And those who knows don't really care. You can see that on instagram, where some cassay says that space frame will be end of rallying or successfully ignoring the fact that it's being already used. And the rest just care about what car it resembles.