Emil Lindholm deserves a special mention.
Older version Fabia. First time in Mexico. Still only 17secs behind class leader.
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Emil Lindholm deserves a special mention.
Older version Fabia. First time in Mexico. Still only 17secs behind class leader.
Take a bow
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Originally Posted by 240RS
GG in charge...
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...rc2-on-friday/
WRC2 - Highlights from Day 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiQjrutv_o
4 out of 5 stages (so far) cancelled for WRC2 crews today...
And the one stage was a super special. Also one 29 km stage was cancelled yesterday. WRC2 crews are missing roughly 100 km from the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
This is one of the reasons why I dont like WRC. Everything is focused only to manufacturers and WRC/Rally1 cars. Nobody takes care about the rest...
Day 3 Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opwiy7tjr1s
Isn't that rallying's unique problem though when there is such emphasis on "live" footage? Its like asking the F1 boys to share the track with Formula 3 and Formula Ford cars. The promoter needs to figure out how its going to accommodate the non Rally 1 cars in its coverage as cant see WRC 2 teams wanting to lose half a day on a regular basis as it brings the series into disrepute.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Well endurance racing do exactly that.
And that area of motorsport is thriving just now with coverage of the entire field.. however WRC...
Like acquiring promotion rights to ERC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
As for what happened in Mexico, it's more down to the organizer than the promoter. It was a silly coincidence that in both SS3 and SS11 it was the last Rally1 car who blocked the road for the rest, not being able to go forth or back. Not sure what they would have done if some Rally1 cars had been left in the blockage. The liaisons in Mexico are short and the timetable was pretty tight, stages started quite close to each other. It's nice for us watching All Live but it has its downsides. Same as arranging stages on a 2x2 basis, if something happens, it's a big risk to get cancellations
There is also an issue for Rally1 drivers in that the WRC2 drivers are in a different Championship but can also take points off them by finishing higher overall (like in Mexico).
Greensmith & Co demoted Tanak to only 9th place points, but they dont receive those points themselves for 6th - 8th place. They get the points for 1st - 3rd in WRC2.
This doesn't seen fair.
I don't see a problem with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Me neither.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well, actually they do get these points and are in WRC standings. After 3 rounds Katsuta(9th), Loubet(10th), Greensmith(11th) all have 8 points.
Don't know the exact rules, but can a driver become WRC champion with rally2 car? (Ain't gonna happen, but if they get WRC points, then it should be legally possible..?)
The sport is 'multi class' and the other 'lesser' classes are as much a part as the top line LMH/ LMDh cars...and get decent coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
For sure. Even with Rally5, in theory, if all other cars run into problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Rallies have been won with lower class cars, namely Sepp Haider with FWD Opel Kadett in NZ 1988 and the Group N cars in Ivory Coast, as well as F2 cars in the tarmac events in 1999.
If only Rally1 cars would get points, the system would have to be modified to have points only for top 6 or something. Now there was only 9 finishing cars, all would have gotten points.
Why shouldn't Rally1 drivers score points for their position in Class WRC1, rather than for their overall position ? Eg. Tanak was 6th highest driver in WRC1 but only scored points for 9th...
Just so that I understand. You want to get rid of the overall results and divide everyone into their tiny categories?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Because it's ridiculous to give points to top 10 Rally1 cars when there are less than 10 Rally1 cars. I would understand if it was top 6 or top 8 with a 15 cars field, but not how things are today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Just finishing a rally doesn't mean you deserve points. Serderidis in 25th and Loubet in 27th almost 2 hours behind don't deserve points, their result is much closer to a DNF than a 8th-9th position.
Circuit racing is more straightforward to televise and just make the director choose whom to choose. In rallying the cars run with 2-4 min intervals and you have to choose between showing the top cars from the next stage or proceeding with the previous one and every minute costs money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
With performance and issues on Friday, he should score zero points in Mexico (except power stage, of course). Only lack of proper competitors also in WRC2 and their issues helped him to get back to top ten. I dont see any reason why he should score points being sixth fastest Rally1 car when there were drivers with Rally2 which were faster than him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But at the same time the PowerStage is a very different format. In Belgium it is streamed on open RTBF TV and Web channels and the PowerStage broadcast usually includes a resume what happened on friday and saturday + starting positions for WRC2 are different to other stages. In short the PowerStage makes a perfect format for WRC I recommend to also for friends who are not really into rallyingQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Why should crews in less capable cars, who complete the prescribed route correctly in less time than crews in Rally1 cars, not score points for their overall positions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Come on now.
Are you a Serderidis fan who tries to find a way to make him a World Champion? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
People want destroy rallies with rules changes. Rallies are so simple and good to watch in past.
Even that post of Win Rally Mexico of Gus is ridiculous. He was the best RC2, won the WRC2 championship field.... the rest is stupid.
Any news on what happened to the engine in Olivers car?
You are right. The more stupid rules, that are hard to understand, the less people are going to follow this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
What post are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrmnDwEX...pg&name=medium
I also think it's a bit stupid...
Yes. Also not the only time I've seen something like that... sometimes a driver is called (or calls himself) let's say "2012 national champion". Then you go see the results, and he was 2WD national champion or Group N national champion etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They're not really lying, but they omit an important detail.
That's true. I saw it countless times. I even think that some drivers and their PR workers are champions at that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
I presume that you've never won anything and just want to make youself feel better... Winning is winning!!! If you are the best in your category, be it drive, displacement or age, you are the winner of that category, so it's fair to say you WON! It's a big thing and it's something to brag aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
No, I'm sorry... there's a difference between, say, finishing first in the RC2 class in Rally Mexico, and winning Rally Mexico. Granted, Gus won the competition he had targeted to win, but under no normal definition of the term 'to win a rally' did he win the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
There was only one rally to win, and that was done by Ogier and Landais. Anyone else claiming to have done so is only fooling themselves.
Exactly, it's not about us being jealous or disliking certain drivers, it's just simply factually wrong.
So a WRC2 Winner cant call himself a rally winner. This backs up my point that the different categories shouldn't be mixed up with some being scored by their Class and others by their overall place.
What a silly comment. Of course you're allowed to brag about your victories, but it's just misleading to say you're the national champion WITHOUT specifying the category, because by "national champion" it's assumed "national overall champion".Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Sebastien Loeb doesn't call himself 10 times world rally champion. Yet he won 9 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2001.
Sebastien Ogier doesn't call himself 9 times world rally champion. Yet he won 8 world rally championships + 1 JWRC title in 2008.
Saying "I won the 2022 Rally4 national rally championship" is NOT the same as "I won the 2022 national rally championship".
Yet, Dakar Rally has 3 or even 4 winners each year.
Obviously, because there are multiple types of vehicles - cars, bikes, quads, SxS, trucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToKu
Among cars, there are multiple categories.
Daniel Schroder finished in 52nd this year and won the T1.1 category.
Ronald Basso finished in 107th this year and won the T2 category.
Can you call them Dakar winners? Sure, in their own category.