Finland will be a true test for co-drivers this year as they try to keep up with the speeds the drivers will take.Quote:
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Finland will be a true test for co-drivers this year as they try to keep up with the speeds the drivers will take.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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watch Ogier at 4,14
https://youtu.be/K2VUHXRuAD4
I think that if Citroen doesn't improve til Portugal, Matton should be better start looking for a different job...
Evans 207km/h
Latvala 202km/h on limiter
Ogier 209km/h
https://youtu.be/49oJvl_ZEew
Max speed rally cars was always 190km is it changed?
there is no fixed max speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
that says a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
like?Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
2 is more than 1Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
197 on Ogier and 187 on Latvala on WRC+ it's after 8:20 in the stageQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Are those speeds supposed to be from a speed gun? If you watch onboards from wrc+ in that place all speeds are 10km/h less. No one goes over 200km/h there :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I don't know guys, but probably they are from a speed gun.
the absolute number hasn't got any meaning,the difference between them counts,to see if somebody has weaker engine.
Both measurements shows yaris a lot slower,but again we cant be sure,because we don't know the exit speed from previous corner.
do you remember top speeds of hyundais and c3?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Who knows in which stage is that spot(Ogier 4.14)?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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I believe you mean three years, not four…Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Also you must remember that ’09 and ’10 are among WRC less competitive seasons, with only 2 teams and Loeb’s total domination, while IRC was getting rally world spotlights. Tacking MC rally out of WRC calendar was one of IRC brightest moves and hugely helped to strength their series. Fortunately, after Todt get elected as FIA president one of his priorities was to put back MC into WRC.
197 on Neuville, no correct speed on C3 when i checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Strange how ss16 got cancelled, when it ran as ss14 it must have been the stage with the least spectators and i only saw a couple of marshalls in bad spots, but i guess the ones that didn't get into Col De Turin came there.
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
thanks SubaruNorwayQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Bride seats should be there also...Quote:
Originally Posted by spark13
it only shows differences in gearbox ratios. you can tell nothing about the engine based on top speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, three, sorry :) I would say that Monte was out of WRC in the time when WRC was in very bad shape and therefore needed Monte Carlo more than now. Anyway I justed wanted to say that it was a bit of overstatement to say that WRC without Monte is impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Actually you can. Normally You don't run longer gearbox with weaker engine (unless it's completely different design, i.e. has completely different characteristics). See R5, S2000 or even gr.N where cars with stronger engines have also higher top speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
In case of 2017 I would say that the main unknown factor is drag force from the aero package.
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Originally Posted by dimviii
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Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
It would be interesting to know where the difference come from. The speed gun may be badly calibrated for sure but who knows how good data WRC+ has? Eurosport used to show simple GPS data in IRC and those were not very accurate (the value was shown with a certain delay and not 100% smooth).Quote:
Originally Posted by lnvs
For me it's very hard to believe that 2017 WRC cars would have smaller top speed than 2016 cars and even than some R5 cars (Fabia has a real top speed roughly 195 km/h).
Road condition and configuration also may take some effect.
About WRC without monte... yes, there could be one, but not without some alternative series/rally. There is always a place for such challange.
Great job by Brian Bouffier, being first private WRC2 crew with less km in Fiesta R5 than the others...
Not really a surprise. He is a former winner of the event...and was 2nd in 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFpwUZw970s video taken from my friends who were with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_wJo1-hAyI Ogier's and Evans problems from our point of view.
nobody with powerfull engine uses a short gearbox vs other competitors.Specially when there are stages where he go to limiter for plenty of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
you run gearbox ratios based on the event, not based on the engine power. that's why they use different gearboxes throughout the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
there's no point in having a gearbox that makes your car go 220km/h, if you know you will never exceed 190 on the event. and vice versa, if you know you will be at very high speeds often, there's no point in being on the limiter all the time.
and as you said, without knowing the drag coefficient there's absolutely no way you can determine the difference in engine power based on top speed.
only partially related, but still interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yktl2-lVm_s
he has more speed gun measurements on his youtube channel.
SS9/11 in this case SS11 2mins after the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris_bakelas
A bit strange i20 2017 onboards never have that more accurate speedo+gear+rpm. There is only speed which has gps style behaviour.
That's irrelevant point because we speak about the same event. And it's also wrong. Both the event the engine characteristics are very important for setting the right gear ratios. Think about why all S2000/R5 cars use a lot shorter gear ratios than Škoda (using an example where the reality is all well documented) on the very same events.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Sorry but that's again irrelevant here because we speak about the same event.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
That's the only important contributor we don't know here. At least we can see what they can reach on the same event, i.e. who can benefit from long straights.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Short gearbox also means bigger overlapping of gears. So correct selection of gear is not so important, because two of them can both do good job in certain speed range. Theoretically (I have never driven such beast of a car) it can be handy in saving moments and linking corner combinations, both very likely in monte.
Remember 6 speed Xsara vs 4 speed 307... roughly same power, same top speed, but 50% more gears to ease drivers job... Here we are talking about same thing compromised by lower top speed... We can't tell much about engine power from this.
P.S.: we are off topic...
nice video
https://youtu.be/zDKioaCOIug
Not the only contributor - we also don't know how close to optimum gear ratios (for the engine and event) were achieved by the engineers from each team do we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It could be that Toyota (as a new team with less data to work from) just underestimated the peak speeds that would be reached on those stages, and geared the car slightly too short as a result.
I feel sorry for Juho, relatively small mistake taking him out, looking at stage times he was actually pretty on par with JML and Meeke, which is an encouraging sign, given everyone seems to agree that the Toymota is a bit weak.
Once again poor Ott has been robbed however! I wonder what he has done to deserve such rotten luck.
After a bit of pondering I though I'd share my impressions. First it's quite sad about that spectator I hope Paddon and Kennard get over it, it wasn't their fault and it shows RMC organisers need to improve. It can be done - look at Portugal in the 80s-90s and now.
The rally was a classic Monte, I think the conditions were juuust right with the mix of dry tarmac and snow, with many many stages where all drivers said conditions are tricky. Add to that dramas everyday including a change of leader who had a big gap and many stage winners. Also the new cars are great, it makes me want to break my duck and finally attend a WRC round this year.
Because of the nature of the event it's hard to say too much about the cars but it's clear the Hyundai is a good package and the Ford is probably close but less refined at the moment. The mechanical problem's on Ott's car and Ogier's struggle in the first half of the event show that there's work to do. Citroen is still a bit of an unknown. Toyota was closer than i expected, but they'll probably be a bit farther back on "normal" rallies, however they were pretty reliable so they're not looking to bad.
I think 5 drivers deserve praise:
Ogier for jumping into a new car and new team and doing the job to the end.
Tanak was always around the podium ready to profit from any mistake and had a good rhythm where he didn't risk much.
Breen for a solid run, even considering his spins, he spun "safely" and didn't damage his car; I look forward to seeing more of him.
Mikkelsen for doing the job and showing what we all know - I won't say it again ;)
Latvala for finally doing a clean rally - podium deserved.
On the flipside:
Paddon - crashing on the first stage is never good
Sordo - continuous lack of confidence, if he goes on like this he could consider retireing
Neuville - impressive speed and confidence but the mistake came when he wasn't pressured
Meeke - seemed out of it and had a silly crash then bad luck
Lefebvre - even if he had orders to finish he was too slow
So Hyundai had the best car and worst drivers, Citroen put their best driver in the wrong car, Ford needs to refine their car but Ogier and Ott look like they can bring the title with some backup from Evans and Toyota not looking bad at all. Even if they are a bit slower than here, they are not that far off and will probably mix in the midfield (5th to 10th place area).
It also looks good for the rest of the season. There are many possible rally winners in the field now and we're going to go into the next 3 rallies not knowing who will win. Over the season Ogier's consistency may pay off but Hyundai has a strong package if the drivers get it together.
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Originally Posted by dimviii
holy man! this first flat out corner from Ogier and later in the video 2.10 from Tänak! impressive, cant wait to get to finland already!