guys we don't know where exactly is the problem.Wait for few rallies more,and it will be more clear now with Mikkelsen,and at next rallies with both Mikkelsen and Meeke.
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guys we don't know where exactly is the problem.Wait for few rallies more,and it will be more clear now with Mikkelsen,and at next rallies with both Mikkelsen and Meeke.
Get real! When and where did Meeke said something like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
It's shameful that they have suddenly accepted what Mikkelsen suggests when everyone must've known the issue but wouldnt change it til he came into the team.
Meeke must be fuming - he gets dropped and then his replacement gets the new spec WRCS.
Rally Sweden, regroup interview with a Belgian journo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
can we find any link?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
We all know Meeke complained about the C3 handling (not only in Sweden) but I very much doubt he revealed team private matters in public, like the refusal of changing set up you’ve mentioned. Besides, who can seriously believe that the main test driver, that actively helped to develop the car for more than 6 months, was not heard by the tech staff? Probably only brit fans and journos in a state of denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
May be they don't trust their leading driver?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Don't buy it; if that was the case they would called Mikkelsen in November, when he became available. Honestly I believe Matton really trust and like Meeke, but he simply couldn't avoid putting a break on current Meeke crash record. Otherwise it'd be irresponsible, not only for Meeke sake but also for the team urgent improvement need.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Hopefully Meeke will come back stronger in Finland and he’ll fell more confident with the C3 upgrades. Fingers crossed.
I don't, know the situation is very strange. Obviously they wanted Ogier, but perhaps were too proud to negotiate with him, instead there was just a media hint "if He calls me, we'll negotiate", but I guess it didn't happened. So they probably lived up with "the Loeb settings" when he developed the C4, and that's how it is, his driving style is with no compromise with other's driver's one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Ive no link, but i did hear 3rd hand. Its been mention on this forum before. Its no secret
WRC 2017 Mechanical Issues and Failures
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Originally Posted by wrc2017
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Originally Posted by dimviii
Is that the same tech staff have been recently sacked? Apparently....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Martin Holmes on Citroen jokers http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...c3-wrc-changes
Torque split is changing for Poland from 30/70 to 50/50. Will be interesting to see how Mikkelsen gets on.
Does anyone have any information on the torque splits other teams are using?
A new rear differential rail and a modified torque split between the front and rear. Mikkelsen has the best chance yet of a Citroen result. Makes it a little odd that Meeke wasn't able to test the new parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
Where is this information from?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
"Real progress..."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-won-wrc-title
i posted it in news thread too but anyway....very strong words from him...if he can get a podium on PURE pace this weekend then he is backing his words but if he finishes outside TOP6 again then it doesnt do any good for his reputation.
but we will see.
Are You sure about that? 30/70 for gravel doesn't sound right. In the past some cars had uneven torque split but mostly only on asphalt.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhm
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the torque split could be easily changed by the driver at any given time?
No, it can not. There is not and never has been any torque vectoring system used in WRC cars. What is being changed by switching of differential maps is the locking behavior not the torque split.
If I'm not wrong there used to be some king of adjustable split in Toyota Gr. A cars. But I'm not sure it was about the torque.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
WTF...
Meeke is bound to be fuming.
From autosport.com
"Citroen has implemented two homologation changes for Poland: a new rear differential rail and a modification to the torque split between front and rear axles.
Meeke was unavailable for comment, but a Citroen source confirmed both areas where he had been pushing for change
We weren't just rearranging the current parts on the car
I have a car which is driving from the front axle more now, said Mikkelsen
Meeke had been pushing for the changes? well why were they not on the car before now? Mikkelsen confirm a car driving more from front axle, surely this is Meeke preferred driving style coming from a front wheel drive background. And the fact that we were not just rearranging parts on the car means that these parts had, or were, being development but not tested. Most of Meeke and Lebrefrve accident are stupid rear end stepping out type accidents. It looks as if Meeke and the engineering team may have been at loggerheads.
Raises more questions than answers as to why it taken till now to suddenly get these updates on the car???
Mikkelsen being very bold with his predictions. Maybe not so wise.
Citroen obviously took some big risks in development last year. Is that something Yves Matton is directly responsible for or have engineers been sacked as a result?
Makes it even stranger that Meeke has been dropped imo. Lefebvre crashes just as much but toddles around at a snails pace. At least Andreas should be able to push for a win or a podium now he's tested properly with the car and made big changes to the car.
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That was viscous couppling, not used in any WRC car. Nowadays it's pretty outdated system. Don't get confused with it. It can change torque split but You can't drive it in any way. Simply when one axle spins the other gets somewhat more torque but the ratio depends on the difference of speed between front and rear axle, on the oil temperature and other variables. Such system is slow, not energy efficient and also can not transmit high torques of modern engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Mikkelsen will also do Rally Germany with Citroen. Not sure about the other drivers?
https://twitter.com/AMikkelsenRally/...21401688170498
This also means he's not driving in Finland. The last we heard was that Citroen entered Meeke, Breen and Al-Qassimi to Finland...maybe that was all they entered after all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Another laughable decision if so. Just let Andreas do all the remaining events along with Meeke and Breen. If they are so desperate to give Lefebvre a drive, they can bring a 4th car for him in the events Khalid isn't driving....Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Honestly this team has been so badly managed in the last year. They almost deserve Andreas to turn round at the end of the year and tell them to shove any contract they offer him up Matton's arse. If Toyota don't get Tanak surely Mikkelsen would rather go there?
Explanations for the difference between torque split and torque apportion.
http://www.awdwiki.com/en/torque+split+ratio/
Now let's take a vehicle with automatic all wheel drive systems as an example (assume the vehicle is front wheel drive under normal conditions). When in front wheel drive mode, the torque transfer is near 100/0 – most of the power goes to the front wheels. When front wheels slip, the transfer clutch attaches the rear axle. At full lock, torque split becomes 50/50. Now, if front wheels lose traction completely (ice, rollers, or raised in the air), 0% torque goes to the front wheels, 100% of torque goes to the rear wheels, but the ratio stays 50/50. Understand the two things: torque split ratio can vary from 100/0 to 50/50. But torque apportion can vary from 100/0 to 0/100.
RE Meeke being dropped and then big changes made for Mikkelsen as soon as he arrives..
You can only think that Meeke is/was being made a scapegoat for the bad decisions of others. I have been very critical of him this season but I have huge sympathy for him now. This latest treatment has been a disgrace.
Matton is between a rock and a hard place. A certain sponsor wants drives for Qassimi, the factory wants to have the French guy in the team, other drivers have either pace or consistency but not at the same time. Who do you put on the car?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Wasn`t Lefebvre personally sponsored by Qassimi?
Ogier?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
If Seb isn't available for them (why would he want to go there now??), I'd put Meeke, Mikkelsen and Breen in the car. What's the benefit to the factory of having a French driver when he isn't even showing signs of any sort of pace, nevermind half decent results?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I get what you're saying, but unless they have a realistic chance of signing Seb for next year they have to lock Andreas down on a contract as soon as possible or he could go elsewhere, and that would leave Citroën up Shit Creek for next year.
Breen is a great 3rd driver and Meeke can win rallies for them (perhaps even more so now if the new changes work on the C3). Andreas has been pretty consistent and fast for the last few years, so with Breen and Mikkelsen bringing home pts on most rallies, having a driver like Meeke pushing for wins on most events is surely the makeup of a much stronger team than what they have now.
They need to put Meeke and Mikkelsen in the same rallies. They need to cooperate and develop the car together to suite different styles. They will learn car and eachother, to form a top team!
The last two drivers need to share 3rd car, maybe 4 cars last rallies.
The big shame here is I can see Breen getting flicked for a few events this year (potentially starting with Germany) - when he's really done nothing wrong.
The questions are only raised because brit journos keep treating this matter in a shameful way and Meeke’s fans are in denial state. Btw, who's the Citroen source mentioned by Evans: the cleaning woman; the gatekeeper or the K9 mascot?Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Time to stop the fuss and the worries; let’s just hope Citroen can make the C3 more competitive and their drivers can have more chances to shine. That’s what WRC needs: more cars and drivers fighting for the win.
Honestly I see Breen solid as a rock inside Citroen. There's no doubt he's ready to go faster (like in Portugal's first loop) but so far Meeke's and Lefebvre’s permanent mistakes forced him to get back and secure manu points for Citroen. I also don't see Mikkelsen as the game changer Citroen desperately needs, so maybe Breen can now have a chance to get the team spotlights. Fingers crossed for him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
your in denial. Breen maybe fast.. but he may also be the new SordoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
hear hearQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Or become a journalist yourself.