True but their level of professionalism is sub par to say the least & I don't know why, for a third season now they stopped mixing their commentators on their highlights.
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True but their level of professionalism is sub par to say the least & I don't know why, for a third season now they stopped mixing their commentators on their highlights.
Leaving aside the gender stuff, as I'm not sure what your point is, how often does any main commentator in any sport have much experience of competing in the sport concerned? I'd say it isn't the norm at all. Look at English language Formula 1 coverage for example, David Croft doesn't, James Allen didn't, Jonathan Legard didn't. Murray Walker did a bit on bikes in the 1940s... Only Ben Edwards did some lower formula circuit racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The main failing of WRC+ is is in the co-commentary position, there are so many ex-competitor's that could do well in that role, but they're seemingly too cheap to fill that position properly.
I wouldn't mind the commentary if A) you could disable it like they did give the option back in 2020 &/or B) they'd get people who would do more than just tell us: "they finished the stage for us" or chatting amongst themselves cause they haven't got the slightest clue. For the most part it feels like they don't want to be there, and they're only there to fill the (air) time. To add insult to injury, now we have them both in the WRC & ERC; was it too expensive to get new/other commentators? or does the promoter simply doesn't give a rats ass and we as rally fans are left with that barely baked All-Live? I'm pretty sure that if that kind of level of commentary would appear in F1, someone would get sacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
I fail to see the big issues with Allive itself.
Porter is good
Desborough is gone (don't remember last time I heard him)
Bec is ok, mostly for "fillup"
Missing Østberg as he was the best "expert" commentator.
Turning commentary off works (did it in Ypres, don't remember if that was on TV or phone).
For attracting new (young fans) different/new plattform is needed to hook them first. YouTube channel with a young and enthusiastic presenter, some "reality" series like drive to survive etc.
For allive itself own camera choice should be possible (pick from 2-3 cameras), specially on TV-stages with many roadside cameras. At some point also pick off on board camera.
Desborough Isn’t gone, he’s now commentating entirely by himself in the daily highlights for each rally and has been doing so since 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
How did you manage to turn off commentary? They don’t give that option anymore, tried on both app and web browser of the TV.
I've banging this drum for ages; they need a decent free to air product on YouTube. Regular output on events, weekly round up, lifestyle, tech, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I think I've been saying since before 'drive to survive' was a thing that perhaps a different approach for highlights would be some kind of docu film after each rally, instead of or in addition to the (tired) format of the highlight shows. The challenge would be whether you could get them done quick enough, though producing a show to go out a week later would be a good effort, putting it up on You Tube.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Yes, yet no. The last thing I want to watch is WRC Promoter's corporate execution of anything like this. Combination of being able to say the unofficial things like Kitchen Table and the casual approach and accessibility of Road Book would be perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
still think road book should be a format for every team and aired freeQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Live maps are working??? because I see only a black screen... All Live working properly.
Is wrc+ have now any promocodes for free month or trial period?
nope.
I expect some sensational footage on WRClive as cars race along the SS8 / SS11 Kaipara Hills ridge line. Saturday morning local time in NZ. Friday night for those in Europe and UK
Has anyone else's phone started playing sound when casting from the app?
Yes it did, I managed to mute the phone using the audio output settings on my phone, but it was quite annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
How long have we had WRC+? 4 years? Have they learned anything? Why do we have this stupid view ALL THE FKIGN TIME and especially in night?!
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They haven’t learned, if anything I’d say they’ve gotten worse over time, and for me it seems they don’t seem to care/eager to learn/improve and they’re not in under any sort of pressure to do so, it’s just a 9-5 job to them and even at that it’s been done poorly to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz
I don't get it. What's the issue with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by DoN_cz
This is the only night stage, so of course they would install the cameras for every other stage.....
The issue (for me) is that this view is overused. I want to see the road ahead, not look at the faces of the crew every few seconds. And I'm talking about daylight stages. The fact, that they use this view even during night, when you cant see ANYTHING just proves that somebody in the WRC+ team is not caring at all about the output.
That camera and the start stage one. What a disgrace.
You just don't remember what it was like in 2018. No land cameras, a lot more interference and cut signals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
But I agree that face camera is stupid. It's just a gimmick and should not be shown for more than 5 seconds at a time.
There were definitely a lot mor technical issues at the begining. Also they did good by showing the interviews in the small picture. However it's weird they show the driver faces so much.
I remember quite okay, and we did have some land camera's but I meant overall the quality of WRC+ hasn't improved and looks to be worse now imho. In 2018 you could say it was a learning year for them but comparing 2019 to what we have now, I wouldn't say it's improved drastically since, if anything it's gone downhill and we now have a missing stage end reporter, since one of them left/was fired after 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They also still haven't bothered with changing their own line-up and with all due respect to them, they seem pretty oblivious to anything happening outside their little bubble. Even when they were being praised for having Østberg in their commentary line-up they managed to muck it up (or maybe they realized he makes them look so bad so they let him go). So yeah, I'd say worse overall, and the amount of technical issues is still a thing in almost every rally no matter the weather, yes, they might've solved some of their issues but I bet if you'd be promoting Formula 1 like that, they'd get a bucket load of backlash. Trust me when I say this, if I had a another option to follow the sport properly I'd use it but unfortunately here I don't have that 'luxury'.
Land cameras on non-TV-stages appeared in 2019 after they changed the technology with the land cameras transmitting the signal wirelessly. Before it all went to disk which had to be brought manually to the service park for including in highlights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I don't understand this. It's not like we're missing stage end interviews because Colin left. The lineup has never been fixed. Sometimes you had Ben Constaduras or Julian Porter doing stage end interviews. It's changed from rally to rally. And now they have Seb Marshall as a part of the crew, which to me is fantastic.Quote:
we now have a missing stage end reporter
Rallying is a difficult sport to televise, because it happens on a long route in the forest/mountains and you can't compare it to F1 or other circuit sports happening on a small area where you can have everything plugged in.
The new graphics are also a lot better, WRC2 is separated etc. lots of small things have improved but you just forget how it was some years ago.
Earlier you said, stage cameras, didn't realize you meant the stages that weren't televised. Colin left after 2019, and I wasn't talking about him, I was referring to Emir (don't remember his last name) who left at the end of 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
The new graphics are horrible imho and I’d argue are harder to read than those we had just last year and while I'm grateful they separated WRC2, they still have some room to improve. I'm aware rallying is a difficult sport to televise but if you look at what Eurosport did back in the IRC days you'd see that they did a whole lot better given the technology they had back then. For reference, I suggest you check out their coverage of the Monte Carlo back in 2010 or Rally of Scotland in that year, both with atrocious conditions yet still they managed but maybe it's just like you said and my mind is betraying me already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Obviously TV stages have always had land cameras, even before All Live. But normal All Live stages were originally just helicopter, onboards and stage end camera. Now we typically have three land cameras on a non-TV stage. Emyr Penlan left indeed, I almost didn't notice. But he was also one of those who could be as well at the stage end or at the studio, and didn't do always every event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I have to check out that IRC 2010 footage that everybody talks about
Emyr, Molly, Ben, Dave, Jade, Hayley, Seb, PK until JD stepped back; none are guaranteed starters. Only Becs, Kiri and Julien. Never really fully understood why there isn't a more fixed team but guess I'm not supposed to.
Maybe they are all freelancers and have sometimes other jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Indeed several covered other racing series in the period they were appearing on the WRC. Molly even does or did some racing herself.
The issue is more what's lacking from the core team and that's a permanent presence of someone with world class experience. Anytime they have that it really elevates the comentating team.
Yeah, Seb Marshall is the closest to that from the current team (although not on every event)Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
From their POV yes, but not from Producer/Promoter POV. It's odd that a commentator could say something like 'this excellent championship battle will go on to the next round", but they won't be there because whatever at Nurburg is more fun or pays better or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Not saying it's bad, just not what I'd expect.
I think this will be my final year with wrc+. Like some of the guys say here, they have gotten even worse IMO, you should improve with years, not go backwards or stand still
And I don’t mean just the picture broadcasting but the whole package. Can’t stand Kiri at all with her big mouth doing gestures, nobody of them doesn’t even know the basics of rallying apart from Julien. I have said it previously and say again, the whole crew needs a replacement. I would only leave Becs for voice overs and media interviews.
The robotic answers from them if you have a problem with wrc+. The most common one being “did you clear your cache?”
We have had most of the stages on TV3 Sport channels in Estonia since 2021, they only skip like 3-5 stages per rally and those missing stages I have watched from wrc+ and god it’s horrible. Nowadays I’m basically just using it for maps and split.
WRC "allive" had slowly but surely changed from "alllive" to "TV broadcast delivery service".
When it started (especially on that first Monte) you could see everything happening and it felt like really being at the rally (or maybe even better cause you could follow all liasons etc.) At some point they also had live camera in service park when nothing else was happening.
Now everything is cut to necessary minimum. When there is a problem in stage they basically just turn it off and put on a map or worse (car pictures). The trend of turning off stages or not showing any Rally2 cause they "do not fit schedule" has also gotten worse.
I'm also quite on the verge of not continuing with wrc+. Woke up around 4am and then watched re-live from morning stages and both stages 2 & 4 were basically unwatchable.
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I think we should all unsubscribe from WRC- next year, maybe if enough people do it they'll at least realize they're doing something wrong, maybe (although I'm doubtful at this point) they'll even replace at least some of their commentators.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Yeah, in Estonia TV3 is at least somekind of an option and if I add sports package for about 5€ I will get TV3 Sport and all the sport subchannels so it makes me really weigh in on my options for 2023.
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If I had your option, I’d easily add those €5, it’s even cheaper than what you get monthly for WRC-, and you get an entire sports package.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
How do you figure unsubscribing would eventually make the product stronger? It'd kill it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Double-checked the offers and they have cut TV + Sport package for 10 € and have now TV + Movies + Sports for 15€. Them bastards I say.... HeheQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
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If that what it takes for them to come up with something better, then so be it, someone over there needs a serious wake-up call; the situation as it stands can't continue, even 'regular' fans will eventually get fed up with having to deal with their lack of competence each rally. If they're not up to it or can't be bothered with it, they should hand the reigns to someone else, as simple as that, a promoter should promote it's product, not demote it. We have these pretty awesome cars, a lot better than back in 2011 yet they can't seem to capitalize on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori