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It's in the comments. Rallysprint de Gabiria 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
we had talked about how Petter was involved so much at Olivers car/mechanics etc
https://twitter.com/Petter_Solberg/s...70671545610240
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/03/...-introduction/
Soon I'll be listing the top 30 Rally Finland stages based on data.
It used to be recorded one year before broadcasted. But yes father and som project also. Natural.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
"Natural"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Getting started, all the way up to first steps in ERC was a family / father and son project. It doesn't seem so helpful having your dad engineering the car for you at the top level, no matter how many titles that dad has won...
Don´t think he does anymore. Didn´t mean that. However it´s natural for a father following his sons career. Ask me... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Maybe our norwegian friends do know?
Sometimes in the beginning it seemed like Petter had more control over the car than the Hyundai engineers and the car was not very good, many of the same problems coming back several times. Things got a lot better when he got the new engineer Gerard De Jongh from Monza.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Jost Capito told story in Drive to Survive about when one of his VW drivers lacked confidence, he told his co-driver to squeeze his balls. Then he asked driver "Do you feel the balls? So drive with balls you have".
Didn't say what driver it was, but I'm pretty sure it was JML.
Interview with Biasion:
https://youtu.be/guB5-odP31U
In italian, but these guys usually add english subtitles for their international audiance. I haven't seen it yet, but they made a few videos with ex Abarth people that were very interesting.
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/03/...-stages-21-30/Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Rally Finland top stages 20-30
First race of FIA World Endurance Championship finished at Sebring.
Ogier's Richard Mille Racing Team finished 12th out of 15 in the LMP2 category (13 cars finished without troubles). Halfway through the race, he said he couldn't find the rythm with the car. In his last stint though, he managed to improve his lap times compared to his teammates.
Charles Milesi: 38 laps, best 1:52:33 (Milesi is 2021 LMP2 champion, drove way less because the race was red flagged twice)
Sebastien Ogier: 83 laps, best 1:52:67
Lilou Wadoux: 82 laps, best 1:52:90 (First race in prototypes for her, just like for Ogier)
this long pause feels like off-season again...even worse i would say, no news at all
they definitely have to find something for next year to fill the gap
For the 1st season of a new regulation, having a long pause at this moment is not bad even if it can be quite boring for fans.
It allows teams to work on the car, especially when they were late like Hyundai, and to work a little more quietly on specific issues such as the hybrid problems seen in Sweden.
I think that, if it is used properly by FIA and teams, it will help to improve the level on the long-term (better than being always in short-term workarounds to have short-term improvements).
But definitely yes, it is only valuable for this season, not the next ones. A return in Mexico would be good.
Portugal was in March ten years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
A question leading from a recent AR podcast...
Have there been any WRC drivers who have been a team-mate of both Loeb and Ogier ?
Tanak. Briefly at Hyundai in 2020 with Loeb and of course at M-Sport from 2017-18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Sordo in Citroen 2010 (with both at the same time)
Mikkelsen with Ogier in VW 2013-2016, with Loeb in Hyundai 2019
Ostberg? or is the definition too loose - M-Sport/Ogier 2017, Citroen/Loeb 2018.
In 2017 Östberg was in his own team, just entered through M-Sport, but they didn't collaborate at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Good answers ! It's surprisingly few considering the number of years they have both driven.
Yes it does feel like an off season again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
We need to assess the calendar gap with expectations and available knowledge at time calendar was set. To set events to later months was in my opinion a smart decision at the time. They were difficult decisions in a pandemic hit world. Hopefully situation continues to improve with more certainty for people everywhere. Setting of next years calendar should be easier.
very good point Gary, definitely they must have thought about COVID as one factor. Remember in 2020 they had to cancel all rallies from March to July and people were here mocking FIA for not getting any rallies organized although in the end the situation turned out better for the summer. In 2021 we had a similar calendar as now with emphasis on the summer dates and it worked. Monte Carlo struggled with tight restrictions and Sweden was canceled altogether, as was Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
Another thing is that it's not that simple to make rallies change their dates. The hole is effectively left by Mexico, which is still off the calendar for COVID reasons(?). And furthermore, if Mexico makes it to next year's calendar, they won't have to do further arrangements.
They could have moved Portugal to March, but it's supposed to be a "linked" rally with Sardinia, so they would have to move both, and I'm sure both events benefit from a summer data in terms of spectators and road conditions (remember how ERC Fafe had to cancel stages a week ago)
The Promoter is probably ok with this WRC break so as to show and promote the first two rounds of the newly-acquired ERC.
Agree with all the points but as a suggestion (maybe someone reads this) then maybe they can think out something for fans in the future. For example something like Drive to Survive in F1 but much better without the fake drama etc. Some behind the scenes stuff, meetings etc from past year. Or some special episodes with drivers. Would have been nice and could fill the gap and keep the buzz going. Now it is very-very quiet.
I think this was pretty awesome. https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/wrc-at-50-1970s/Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
But I agree with you, maybe some special from WRC+, like at least retro highlights or something
Even Dirtfish have run out of WRC stories and reporters are asking fans for their favourite unusual WRC facts... and even funny driver names.
And next we go to positions 11-19Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/03/...-stages-11-19/
Another one up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2022/wrc/wrc-at-50-1980s/
top-10 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by anttil
Forgot to post here
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2022/04/...0-stages-1-10/
Just came here to say that I find interesting to listen to Colin and the other Dirt Fish guys talking on the podcast about how WRC is the "ultimate proving ground" for manufacturers to develop technology and showcase their innovations...
While WEC reporters say WEC is the ultimate proving ground for manufacturers to develop technology and etc...
And F1 say it is the ultimate proving ground for bla bla bla.... And Formula-E and Extreme-E also say they are the proving ground for new tech and bla bla bla...
hahah Interesting.. I enjoy all of these championships and yet I dont see any of them being the proving ground for anything. I dont even know what that mean. Are any of these series actually developing something for the road?
Cuz if I were to guess, maybe that RoboRace could be the actual series that could be used as a "proving ground" series, but so far no one seems interested haha... The new FIM E-Xplorer World Cup could be more interesting, with 3 "manufacturers" building an electric moto that is capable of racing in urban and terrain (if we are talking about "proving ground"). The Air Race is also returning without RedBull, and they have this plan to start having eVtols with only manufacturer teams. That would be VEERY interesting from this tech-development point of view...
Where is "autosport" right now?
I've not listened to a recent Dirtfish pod on this but context might be key. If by 'manufacturers' you/they mean car brands then I think you've got it right. Dirtfish guys are just playing the promo game for the championship, which is a promo game for the brands. These have nothing to prove or develop, consumers may translate winning to quality but really can expect their cars to work all the time, every time, everywhere, else the lease/contract is void and the manufacturer gets it back. Don't think many new car sales are people buying cars outright based on reliability, durability and engineering technology, having test driven them and not just ordered online lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
If the claims mean these championships are a great proving ground for third party manufacturers of parts used in road cars then they may have a great point, this is more in tune with what is happening in these championships - so the likes of Kreisel, Compact Dynamics, Williams, Bosch, Continental etc. etc. could be the manufacturers put to test for selling into the road car manufacturers. I'm not sure what needs developing now for road cars more than batteries and motors, and apparently "more than two-thirds of battery manufacturing is controlled by three companies—CATL, LG, and Panasonic". Probably not what these journos mean though.
I think everybody here agrees that 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' is well out of date. Car brands now are just keen to build the best software for a dashboard display store for upselling features like trizone climate control, activating heated seats or windscreen wipers. There's no motorsport for that.
Οgier teasing Sebastien Loeb
When you look at the months ahead ����: 1️⃣ @DTM race
, the @ExtremeELive
, the World Rally-Raid Championship … and maybe more ��
Come on Seb don't be shy... announce this Portugal rally ����!! History that we have a little fun ��
https://twitter.com/SebastienLoeb/st...65856763830274
https://twitter.com/kiwiwrcfan/statu...ikSlY3ybj3FKXA
I didn’t even realize before this tweet it will be that long.
Only 9 days left until rally Croatia but this long pause has left me with a feeling like the WRC doesn’t exist anymore
We had the same last year really. 222 days from Sardinia 2020 to Portugal 2021 as a big gap of no gravel rallies and two months from Arctic to Croatia.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
But it will be really busy after Croatia!
We have asked Didier Charre for permission (rights reserved) to be able to upload this great document..��
���� It's about some pre Monte-Carlo Audi Sport tests, back in 1984, where they had a Peugeot 205 T16 to compare. Röhrl can be seen trying it out.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQFBSCgX...pg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQFBSCnW...pg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQFBSC1X...pg&name=medium
https://twitter.com/MundoRallyes/sta...62755479003140
So big breaks are really bad for the sport. New fans are wondering if the championship still exists. Me, a hardcore fan, finds myself to lose interest.
Yes, quite agree. Whatever the reasons, it's something they need to address in the future. I much prefer the old style season with a summer break after the Acropolis in early June - and a return in late July, when it was often NZ. By April, we'd usually had 4-5 events. For new/casual fans, it seems as though it's just disappeared into the ether.Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
I would say it's about two things:
1) Rally Mexico not being in the calendar and other rallies not being able to move their slots
2) Calendar focused in the summer because in 2020 and 2021 COVID-19 situation was a lot better in the summer time.
I've also noticed that the rally twitter community is quite dead.
The Ukraine situation also likely takes people's attention from their normal interests.