Well they will both retire with gearbox problems wont they..... :devil: ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Seriously though I think the whole season should be close between the two. I reckon Raikkonen might finish ahead of Alonso this weekend.
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Well they will both retire with gearbox problems wont they..... :devil: ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Seriously though I think the whole season should be close between the two. I reckon Raikkonen might finish ahead of Alonso this weekend.
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Originally Posted by Tazio
IMO for a number of years now Ferrari have not been all that strong at the season start. BUT they improve through the season, and they are good enough to consistently get in the mix of things. With two very good drivers their chances of remaining near the top of the pack seem strong, but really until we see what the cars are doing it's all a big guess.
The dynamic between the drivers will be interesting. I don't think Kimi would be all that bothered if Fred has the upper hand in points, but I'm not sure I can say the same if the situation is reversed. Those calling for fireworks could be correct.
I make of their situation that it is going to be their usual "challenge" like we have seen for years already. Their weakness is outright speed, so they struggle to win many races on pure pace. But they have enough speed and consistency to bag podiums and regular points. Also reliability to capitalize on any mishap of other top teams (Merc, RBR).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
The story of Ferrari ever since 2009. The team of nearly-men.
Very good observation Jens, history definitely backs up your assertion. Actually I'm surprised that their pace in FP1&2 was as good as it was on low fuel. Their long run pace was not very impressive at all though.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
On a separate note it appears that SD is already concerned about Kimi's pace relative to Fred:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112917Quote:
Ferrari says that sorting out the problems that are stopping Kimi Raikkonen getting the best out of his Formula 1 car is a priority.
Raikkonen had a difficult first day of practice in Australia on Friday, ending the second session eight tenths of a second behind team-mate Fernando Alonso.
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali said the team needed to move swiftly to help Raikkonen.
About Kimi's gear selection issue that left him stuck at the end of pit lane:
EngineerQuote:
"I couldn't get first gear ummm so"
Raikkonen:Quote:
"ok hold on...nope switch off"
:laugh:Quote:
"Ok do you guys think you can come down and pick me up?"
That guy is such a cut up. :)
Fred flapping his lips :laugh:
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Alonso said he thinks the Mercedes and McLaren cars qualified higher than him on Saturday because they are better for the moment, but he is not sure about Red Bull, whose Daniel Ricciardo will start Sunday’s race from second place.
“Red Bull did not finish any race simulations in pre-season testing,” he said, “so I think we should finish ahead of them.”
More broadly, Alonso said it is clear that in his fifth consecutive campaign with Ferrari, he wants to finally win the title in 2014.
“I have been often the championship runner-up and nobody wants that,” he told Germany’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper.
“But on the other hand, I have had the best four years of my life.
“My personal performance has never been so good, sometimes perfect and against very strong opponents. That gives me the same satisfaction as if I had won the world title.”
Not much to speak of there? During winter testing there was a lot of talk about Renault struggles, but to be honest now I feel it could be Ferrari's PU, which is left behind others. Because Red Bull and STR both showed promise, yet among Ferrari customers...
Marussia was struggling with problems and didn't show superiority over Caterham, which they seemed to have in winter;
Sauber was just absolutely (below) average, well behind everyone except the two backmarkers (Mar / Cat) and the almost undrivable Lotus. However, I believe Lotus has more potential to unlock over the full season, also in co-operation with Renault.
And then Ferrari, also very average.
Ferrari hoped that the new regulations could propel them to the front by ending Red Bull's superiority. However, to get to the front you must first and foremost maximize the potential of any new factor, which comes into play. The turbo engines have come into play, but it looks like this factor has pushed Ferrari further down the order rather than upwards.
Could be right Jens. Sauber were dreadful today, I mean one of them spun on lap 1 but they made it up during the SC, and yet were still lapped.
If not for the teams so for the drivers sake, Ferrari have to make progress soon.
Even in 2009 Kimi was able to win his race. This year a podium is a false hope.
Pizzsa delivery boys Baggie! :dog: :wave:
Here comes the Flav !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
ah, the "schlepping mule" is back... with all the changes, we still see a much uninspiring Ferrari perusing the mid-pack on track. Even though they are 3rd in the WCC standings, it doesn't say much for the results.
same old, same old... :mark:
:stareup: Freakin' Pizza Delivery Boyz :sailor:
If not for Perez being taken out of the race, that third in the constructors championship would have been gone today. And rightfully so.Quote:
Originally Posted by veeten
The car is just sucking. Both drivers obviously have their hands full on a regular basis, and it's unlikely they will be able to fight the car to much better positions.
:stareup: Fred seems to at least be able to keep it on the track and not cause collisions while scoring decent points. Kimi is pretty pathetic, and has embarrassed the hell out of himself. However the car does seriously suck. ;)
Let's face it... if not for the accident even Fred would have only scored one point. And having year of experience battling the pig of the car the Ferrari is, that isn't much to be excited about. Maybe Kimi has the right idea.... just do some donuts on track to prove the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
And the sad thing is, until the upper levels of Ferrari find real leadership and passion once again, they won't attract the people they need to make the car better. The attitude of chopping heads certainly ins't taking the team in the right direction. They may as well hire Flavio on the sly somehow... maybe he could buy them some points.
Right Kimi is purposely driving like a fool. You can do better than that. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Great drivers avoid accidents by having more intelligence, acute senses, and reflexes!Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Scoreboard baby!!
Fred 69
Kimi 18 :laugh:
I was talking about the Felipe/Perez accident lofting both drivers up in the points. I don't dispute Fred is outdriving Kimi, but then again he's been in the pig for years. :) My point was that the points that matter aren't helping either of them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
1 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 140
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 118
3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 79
4 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 69
5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 60
6 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 57
1 Mercedes 258
2 Red Bull Racing-Renault 139
3 Ferrari 87
4 Force India-Mercedes 77
5 McLaren-Mercedes 66
I can't see Fred holding his own in the WDC or the team holding their own in the constructors if the car continues to be a pig and the others are improving. Today was a prime example.
And if you really want a laugh at Fred vs Kimi, let's count how many WDC's Fred has won for the Scuderia. Oh wait, you can't count to zero can you? :laugh:
I can count to two, and that is one more WDC than Kimi has, which by the way he was quite lucky to get that one any way. I can also count to 18 almost 4 times faster than I can count to 69 Einstein. Why would you think it matters to me that Kimi has won a WDC at Ferrari and Fred hasn't, when what really matters is Kimi is getting his ass handed to him by Fred. I'm quite satisfied in the knowledge that Kimi can't hold a candle to Fred in equal machinery!
Stop the denial, and just say it:
"Alonso is a better f1 pilot than Kimi." I promise it will only hurt for a little while :laugh:
Clearly, there are no prejudiced opinions getting in the way here...
I am staying away from the Alonso v Kimi talk....(I like both with Alonso a slight favourite)
But what about the car? Any updates on the horizon or are they now thinking only about '15?
I don't expect they will have the same 2 drivers if this continues....
My point was the car. All the Fred vs Kimi means nothing. Though Alonso is beating Kimi soundly at the moment, we have a team with two world championship winning drivers and a car so bad they both struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm
I think Ferrari needs major changes, as the current leadership isn't producing.
In a couple of races Kimi has been pretty good (Spain, Monaco), but he hasn't got consistency and luck hasn't been on his side either. I am amazed Kimi is yet to finish in the top6 this year. And his compatriot Bottas has more than twice of Räikkönen's points.:p:
Whoever said that Ferrari should have preferred Hülkenberg, may have a point. The only issue seems to be that Ferrari's cars seem inherently hard to handle (it's not so much about raw speed or lack of it, but handling characteristics) and it may not suit many drivers. We do not know, how it would suit Hülkenberg. But at least Hulk is younger and with greater future prospects.
Oh, and Ferrari itself. Not much to talk about. In Canada I barely remembered they were in the race amongst all the excitement that was going on.
Major shake-up is needed much like in the early 1990s. Living off past glory is impossible now. Same for McLaren. At least Williams has made some strong reforms in the team lately and it has somewhat rejuvenated the team.