One more stage to go and Lappi will have the win in his pocket.
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One more stage to go and Lappi will have the win in his pocket.
I believe him, i mean about the view:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I'm sorry to say that, but this sport doesn't make sense anymore. You pay 50 000 E for a rally and those super expensive technically sophisticated hyper cars from space break down as if they were some toys for a 3-year old kids!
I'm watching a football match of my local team (Lechia Gdansk against Slask Wroclaw) at the same time and sorry, but it makes much more fun. Following Rallye du Valais is more like waiting which car breakes down next. FIA has turned this sport into a parody :(
Tactically a perfect race for him, I hope it will last until the finish line.
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Originally Posted by wwbroe
The cars of today are way more reliable than those of the past (except the 208 T16 of course :) )...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
There are some very nice videos on the ERC website. Here a jumping compilation from the famous jump :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBskgK7zpE
This one of Breen with his two spins is a must watch! I just love these stages!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxqlPTYY0LQ
What about the massively complex, super-fast Group B cars that regularly completed 45 stages, 1000+ road miles over 5 days ... 30 years ago ?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I dont see the progress in reliability.
They had service after every stage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They were not so complex. By the standards of today they were quite primitive ;)
Consani never has any luck. He needs to buy a SKODA for 2015.
Breen: "...Without the puncture I think we would have won. A great drive by Esapekka (Lappi). This has been good for the moment."
Quite a bold statement.
It is not with words that you win a rally, it is by driving. Good victory for Lappi, he controlled rather easy, never made any mistake and was going quick when necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Talent
Oh, yes.
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Originally Posted by wwbroe
500bhp, all new 4WD, some super- & turbo-charged, mid-engined...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Like to see today's cars do the same events and be more reliable.
Yer, Breen is rubbish, just the 9 stage wins. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Talent
Abbring decided to stop because he might have damaged the driveshaft:
'4 stage wins out of 4 stages this morning! Not bad without having done any of the stages yesterday. Unfortunately we had a scary moment after clipping one of the white poles on the inside of a corner on the fifth stage, the impact was so hard on the steering wheel that it ripped it out of my hands so we were thrown into a metal barrier on the other side of the road. Car was ok but we maybe damaged a driveshaft and decided to stop. The foot of the white pole must have been sticking out at the bottom. My bad!'
Is Lappi still not champion?
Wiegand must win in Corsica anyway and hope and hope :-D I think 7th place for Lappi could be enough in all cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Talent
I didn´t calculate it exactly.
Good job from him, but it was not enough to take control of the rally. He's a damn good driver though.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Nobody was saying he is rubbisch, he did good rally and took indeed 9 stage wins. But you must see also that Lappi was not pushing, because there was no need for that after Craig lost a minute with puncture very early in the rally. I think Lappi did intelligent rally, taking no risks at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
He is like that, but very few people realise it. Still, he keeps winning time after time. Potential for a true champion.
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Originally Posted by wwbroe
It's much easier to make the cars more reliable today, believe me. The option designers have now are something those from 1980' could not even dream of. The reason why the cars today are not 100% reliable is that the target is not such. They go to the limits of components to make the car faster. If they don't do that the opponent does. It's about finding a compromise. Let's call it calculated risk. To make the car faster than Your opponent You have to sacrifice something. There is no direct link between power and reliability. If WRC cars have 500 Hp the reliability will be most likely approximately same as it is now and that is very very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
In case of R5 the problem is mainly in the rules. They must use plenty of stock components or plenty of parts with some given price limit. Now imagine how would You build a gr.B car from stock components in 1985. In those days it would be hilarious idea, totally impossible. Today it is possible. Of course in 1980' the gr.B cars were seen as complex but in 2014 most of stock cars are more complex than them.
You must be joking Mirek. Do you remamber season 2003 in ERC? Bruno Thiry was fighting head to head against Miguel Campos and:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thiry - competed in 10 rallies, finished 8 (in all rallies he was 1st or 2nd overal), just 2 technical problems in the whole season, became champion
Campos - competed in 11 rallies, finished 8, only 1 technical problem in the whole season, 2nd in the championship, Campos also had a record of over 50 finished rallies in a row, I think it was between 2002 and 2004
Now look at the 208 T16 of Breen and Abbring, the 207 S2000 of Consani or the Fiesta R5 of Kajto...
Well, Lappi quite stupidly crashed in Ypres and Barum. On Valais he didn't really have any competition after one day anymore. I'm not saying you're wrong about his potential, but he isn't winning 'time after time' like you say. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Talent
All drivers have their ups and downs of course, but if you look back how he's done over the last 2-3 years in rallies, it's quite convincing stuff. It's not only about being fast, it's about being fast when you have to be fast to make the difference - and to the finish line.
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Originally Posted by EightGear
Since January 2009 till October 2014 there have been 3 mechanical-related retirements of factory Škodas. In 6 full seasons with several championships run in the same time, sometimes with 3-4 cars on the start. The very first mechanical-related retirement came in August 2012, that is after almost 4 years. This is for sure the all-time record of any team in rallying. Also for example BRR managed to run Fabias for several years without a single retirement caused by technical problem (I think 3 years or so till it happened for the first time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
As I said R5 have problem with the rules forcing stock components in them but the S2000/WRC/RRC formula allows to build an extremely reliable cars. See VW or Citroën WRC cars. Those also break only very rarely.
It's hard to comment about privateers because You never know how they maintain the car. If they do all service according to the plan, if they use proper parts etc. but the factory teams show what is possible. None of the teams in the past could have done whole season without a retirement caused by mechanical failure.
You can not make a statistic out of two drivers in one season. They were not the only ones competing. Besides that this record is nothing extraordinary. Lappi had no technical problem in the whole 2014 season. Shall I make statistic out of him?
This is very true. Skoda has enabled success for many young drivers with their amazing reliability.
One more time a bad day for Polish rallying. Especially for Kajto, maybe he´ll loose top 3 position in ERC now, I don´t know.
Isn't Esapekka already European Champion?
After Valais he has 161 points (123 + 25 + 7+6) against 128 from Wiegand (104 + 15 + 4+5).
How many results count on the second part of the championship? Tried the regulations about it, but didn't found.
That must be 4Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
The regulations are nothing but clear, could someone clarify how it goes...?
On the first parte of the ERC they were 4 results in 6 rallyes. Now on the the second part we have 5 rallyes... and 4 results? Well, with 4 results then Esapekka is almost champion, but not yet champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Just trust me :-D See my post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
so what's the overall points standings?
Why then were S2000 cars killed by the FIA if there is nothing good that can replace them? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
FIA will tell you that is to save costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
They could be correct.
I trusted :DQuote:
Originally Posted by liposh
Great onboard of Abbring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxvpEk3zxo
And Škoda onboards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raEp6W7mVA4
Interesting moment @0:19. Amazing drive. This man should be in WRC, or at least deserves a reliable carQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
According to http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/lappi-na-bis,57969 the ERC standings after Valais looks like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
1. Lappi 161,
2. Wiegand 128,
3. Breen 104,
4. Kajetanowicz 100,
5. Pech 63,
6. Gryazin 53,
7. Consani 50,
8. Tänak 44,
9. Magalhães 44,
10. Kubica 39.
So theoretically Wiegand can still catch Lappi, when he wins Tour de Corse and gets 25+7+7=39 points.
Spectacular video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFM8iCMW7c
I listened Kevin (and Craig too) used the term "maybe"....what's the meaning/interpretation of this note?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek