Donkey of the Race UAE

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Originally Posted by Zico

Well said.

Off topic- I also don't understand why brexit is a sore point for anyone outside the UK although I can of course see why it has caused divides here.

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For many people of Commonwealth countries who might have the ability to apply for a UK passport, Brexit effectively means the end of the ability to work in Europe as well. It's like all the xenophobes of the UK told the rest of the empire (that they like to bang on about) to jam a pencil up their Article 50 and rotate until they squeal.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

For many people of Commonwealth countries who might have the ability to apply for a UK passport, Brexit effectively means the end of the ability to work in Europe as well. It's like all the xenophobes of the UK told the rest of the empire (that they like to bang on about) to jam a pencil up their Article 50 and rotate until they squeal.

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I see, that makes more sense to me now, thanks.
I guess you would probably call me a xenophobe but I think the word 'xenophobe' is an oft abused and very negative label. I see myself as more of an anti-multi-culturalist! :D

You may think multiculturalism is benign, respecting all cultures, but it's not. Each region has its culture, that's what binds a country together, what unites the people, something they have in common, something shared.
Multiculturalism says we have to have all cultures in one country, all separate, all with their own values, standards and religion, all with their own idea of how to behave. This then leads to a society full of divisions, ethnic and religious ghettoes, the opposite of integration. Only when outsiders [immigrants] are integrated and adopt their host culture can there be harmony. This isn't to disrespect other cultures, it is to value one's own. What has happened is the European political class got sold on multiculturalism as a creed, and anyone dissenting to it was automatically a racist.

The British aren't racist generally, we just have the same portion of idiots as any other country, but the population are being inexorably driven into the hands of racists, the extreme right, because no one else says this must stop. If no one else defends the British culture and way of life, the product of centuries of development, small wonder people are attracted to the extreme rightwing who appear to be the only ones with the courage to speak out.

Across Europe the far right are gaining ground, and we should be aware that this is how fascism starts and succeeds in capturing a country, this time it could be a whole continent. And when Europeans decide they have had enough, Muslims will be the target, including all the peaceful, law abiding, modern ones as well.

When fascism takes over, the radical nutjobs win, although they will be the first to be hung from lamp posts. It's starting to get nasty already, and the political class hasn't a clue what to do, so they cling to the old doctrine they've learned, and mouth the same nonsense, and the right gains again... and we get Brexit and Trump... woaaaah!

Every country is entitled to its own culture, it's what makes the world fascinating and worth travelling to experience. You can't expect every culture to coexist in one small country without inter-ethnic friction and eventually warfare.

Integration is what Britain has gained from for centuries, people even 'Anglicised' (like mine) their names to become British, and we have a wide range of ethnicites across the board, including in our media.


Anyway... let's get back on topic. :)

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Originally Posted by donkey

Hannibal's ancient Arse

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Sorry I skimmed it last time. Ah ha!! España you are referring to....al parecer :stareup:

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I agree with that. I thought he could have slowed more at times and kept position so I was surprised that he didn't.

This incident is not all that different from Japan 97 where Eddie Irvine held up Jacques Villeneuve to enable Michael Schumacher to win the race and bring the title down to the wire. It's the sort of thing that makes interesting (and one of the only things nowadays) so certainly shouldn't be frowned upon. Mercedes got a 1-2 in the end and got their German champ so they can't be that upset.

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Incidentally, and Verstapenn holding up Vettel to allow Ricciado to pass him at Mexico this year l think. And consequently took third in a bizzarre stewarding decision.

There are Hamilton haters who would see things differently of course. The whole thing has even deteriorated into a Germany vs Britain confrontation in this thread. It is getting ugly.

Losing is never a great feeling. Especially when one feels they had done an overall better job given the problems that he has faced this year. I think it is daft for anyone to expect anyone in that position to just carry on as if it is all hunkerdory and good. Like Nico and the cap in 2015, Hamilton showed his complete disappointment of losing the title this year.

There is no pretty way to lose unless you are a loser.

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Originally Posted by Zico

I see, that makes more sense to me now, thanks.
I guess you would probably call me a xenophobe but I think the word 'xenophobe' is an oft abused and very negative label. I see myself as more of an anti-multi-culturalist! :D

You may think multiculturalism is benign, respecting all cultures, but it's not. Each region has its culture, that's what binds a country together, what unites the people, something they have in common, something shared.
Multiculturalism says we have to have all cultures in one country, all separate, all with their own values, standards and religion, all with their own idea of how to behave. This then leads to a society full of divisions, ethnic and religious ghettoes, the opposite of integration. Only when outsiders [immigrants] are integrated and adopt their host culture can there be harmony. This isn't to disrespect other cultures, it is to value one's own. What has happened is the European political class got sold on multiculturalism as a creed, and anyone dissenting to it was automatically a racist.

The British aren't racist generally, we just have the same portion of idiots as any other country, but the population are being inexorably driven into the hands of racists, the extreme right, because no one else says this must stop. If no one else defends the British culture and way of life, the product of centuries of development, small wonder people are attracted to the extreme rightwing who appear to be the only ones with the courage to speak out.

Across Europe the far right are gaining ground, and we should be aware that this is how fascism starts and succeeds in capturing a country, this time it could be a whole continent. And when Europeans decide they have had enough, Muslims will be the target, including all the peaceful, law abiding, modern ones as well.

When fascism takes over, the radical nutjobs win, although they will be the first to be hung from lamp posts. It's starting to get nasty already, and the political class hasn't a clue what to do, so they cling to the old doctrine they've learned, and mouth the same nonsense, and the right gains again... and we get Brexit and Trump... woaaaah!

Every country is entitled to its own culture, it's what makes the world fascinating and worth travelling to experience. You can't expect every culture to coexist in one small country without inter-ethnic friction and eventually warfare.

Integration is what Britain has gained from for centuries, people even 'Anglicised' (like mine) their names to become British, and we have a wide range of ethnicites across the board, including in our media.


Anyway... let's get back on topic. :)

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anti-multi-culturalist is another way of saying APATHEID or racist really. You either are or you are not, there is no middle ground.

Probably be an idea to not start this train of discussion as it might lead to unexpected places. Let us just say, a nation decided and we all have to respect the democratic process. There is no decision that one would take that would not have some sort of consequences. These consequences are part of the challenges of realizing the decision made. No point banging on about these things but face forward and move on.

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Originally Posted by Zico

You may think multiculturalism is benign, respecting all cultures, but it's not. Each region has its culture, that's what binds a country together, what unites the people, something they have in common, something shared.

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When you say multiculturalism, do you really mean "British" culture as opposed to "French" culture or "German" culture? I see us all more as having a "joint European" culture... united in diversity on a supra-national level :-)

"British" culture is also a union of diverse cultures... if Scotland decided to hold a Scexit referendum, would a leave result not be a bit of a sore point to some in the rest of the Britain, even if they don't live in Scotland?

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Sorry I skimmed it last time. Ah ha!! España you are referring to....al parecer :stareup:

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Left over from summer :bandit:

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Originally Posted by Nitrodaze

anti-multi-culturalist is another way of saying APATHEID or racist really. You either are or you are not, there is no middle ground.

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While it is true that you either are or are not a racist, being anti multiculturism is definitely not the same as being racist.

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Originally Posted by Starter

While it is true that you either are or are not a racist, being anti multiculturism is definitely not the same as being racist.

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Please explain, l would very much like to hear your explanation.

A racist harbours prejudice against other races but someone with anti-multiculturalism views looks at the bigger picture in that it can cause division and fragment society into smaller closed groups, that it should not be encouraged and avoided if possible.

I see the promotion and huge increase of multiculturalism in society through open border policy as divisive, a cause of racial tensions between cultural/religious groups. Why?.. because they are often too different to be able to integrate and rightly or wrongly, on the whole, have no real desire to do so.

If one was cynical, one might suspect alterior motives behind this social experiment. To divide and effectively enslave society under the mass surveillance required to facilitate it? Who knows..