I think nearly all the Estonian companies would need to join forces to even give someone a chance of a full season in a WRCar. This should answer your questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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I think nearly all the Estonian companies would need to join forces to even give someone a chance of a full season in a WRCar. This should answer your questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
There is a difference between pay drivers so let me explain since you appear to be quite... basicQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Drivers like Ostberg, Bertelli and Latvala would be nowhere near a WRC if daddy or mommy did not pay.
Drivers like Kubica and Tanak would also be nowhere near a WRC but the difference is they offer something to the sport that makes other people pay for them.
Is being that simple makes life harder or easier ?
on the other hand, paying the drivers is a miniscule cost compared to the rest of the budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
because he rarely crashes of breaks cars, ostberg is a cheap driver. even if they have to pay him.
the cost of a 1 chassis alone is more then an average year salary in the regular world.
That's also a very important factor... I am sure they are insured to some level but I imagine the cost is still huge if a car were to burn out for example.
have you ever heard of the term Insurance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Also motorsports and sports in general at the top level do not have much in common with the normality when it comes to budget.
One of the things that i enjoy this forum for is that it makes me feel like i was the offspring of an orgy between Tesla Einstein Aristotle with Curie... you guys are laughable.
You are becoming more and more ridiculous by the day... -_-Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
i am still waiting for you to show me a stage where a car won without a spoiler and that aero is not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
funny guy.
And a very, very successful business it is, which makes it all the more puzzling that MW won't spend any money on a decent driver. Not sure what the strategy is, but it doesn't include being competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They are competitive, drivers not.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
Oh yeah right... Totally forgot about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Unless I have been day dreaming, Loeb won a stage without his rear wing once.
I'll try to dig into it... Although it wasn't yesterday so I can't make any promises.
Also you are being utterly retarded and reading into other people's posts as usual... I said that compared to actually having a sorted chassis and suspension, aero isn't that important, not that it was totally unimportant.
... But then again you the special needs person in this forum so I don't suppose I should expect more from you.
please dig it up and show us and also make the manufacturers aware because they spend money on useless things.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
N.O.T is just a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
I totally agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
I'd say text book example of schizophrenia in action...
But would one of the top drivers go to M-Sport even if they paid them well, since they lost Ford official support ? I doubt it.
Wilson is doing what is right for them considering their position. And how many other private WRC teams are there if its so easy...
And you decent rally fans... enjoy the forum and just use the Ignore List.
:)
I'll give you two of those, but Latvala is hardly paying for his VW seat (and didn't pay for his Ford seat either, although no idea how much he was paid).Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Ostberg wasn't paying for his Citroen seat either, although again I'm not sure if he was paid. He might not have progressed but he was an exciting young talent at some point.
Unless you mean their parents helped get them into the sport, which is the same for every top level driver out there since Bernd Rosemeyer....
Because other private teams would have to antagonise the manufacturers car, M-sport does not have a direct comparison with a manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Basic. wow...
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/june/...4--12-12-.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I will never believe in any kind of possible parallel universe that they don't insure rally cars as Malcom said in that interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I can concede that that kind of accident was somehow not covered by the insurance for some reason but will never believe that they don't insure rally cars. For sure wrc.com failed at reporting the interview, or Malcom didn't explain himself good.
They necessarily don't. I have no exact figures how much insuring WRC would cost, but I'd say without insuring, with the saved money, you can total your car once or twice a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Yes it will be a pretty straight forward calculation I think. Insuring a rally car will probably cost quite a lot so you'll have to make sure you destroy a car once in a while for it to make economic sense.
All these opinions on M-Sport are pure speculation
Only Wilson knows their situation and he can decide what it takes to keep this non-factory team going in the WRC.
Look at Prodrive - they went down as soon as BMW (MINI) pulled out. At least M-Sport hung in there after Ford dropped out.
And they now have to compete with 4 factory teams in 2017. Not easy.
Eddie has a point. If I was the insurer and I had to insure a 500 000 € car that has to go sideways in a forest at 160 kph, I'd set a very high fee and liability.
It might not be economically sound to do so.
Maybe a rally car is only insured for damage (up to a certain value), but not for a total loss like in the Hirvonen case...
Although a total loss is pretty rare and insurance against it would be more important as damage is easily repaired by a good team.
you do understand that motorsport insurance is different than the one you insure your car Mr Aero right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
i always heard that insurance costs about 10% of the cars value per rally. so that means that it will cost as much as one burned out car every 10 rallys.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
in a case like m-sport with so many cars, and in-house made parts, insurance seems unnecessary.
Insurance in rallying isn't so common indeed. Insurance companies have to make profit, so it's logical that they are quite expensive. There's the expense for each event, but there's also the amount of money that's deductible. For example for a WRC car let's say the first 40 - 50 000 euros of damage aren't paid by the insurance. I've once heard you should have almost total loss every 4-5 events before an insurance is interesting (that was a national driver with a WRC car which was obviously much cheaper than the cars currently used in WRC).
You do understand that all insurance run on the same principles right?Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
High risk + high values = high fees.
I dont see the point in some of these comments from people. If you never believe a single thing anyone says or reports, then what's the point in following the sport and the comments of its protagonists ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Maybe you are one one living in your own hyper-cynical universe.
you are right, maybe they are obsolete, something like the rear spoilers.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
I know the price in Belgium for insuring a car. Example was for a €25.000 car:
€1750 fee per rally (strangely it didn't matter whether it was a rallysprint of 4x10km or a 3 day rally...)
The first €2500 of damage were not covered by the insurance and had to be paid anyhow.
As I understood, these were fixed percentages and did not depend on the car or driver.
In Belgium it is very difficult to find someone who wants to insure you. I know of only 1 company who does this in the Flemisch part of the country.
*Sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Go watch the latest season of South Park, and then kill yourself so your genes won't spread. Thanks!
sure, but my life won't be complete until you dig up that stage where a driver won it without the spoiler.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Good so I will never!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Fast Eddie, with all due respect but I was saying that I couldn't believe that a big manufacturer don't insure its cars as reported in one statement of a single article. I didn't meant that all rally press is conspirating against us and is always wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Didn't want to enter your discussion about Wilson paying or not paying drivers.
Still most of the big teams do insure their cars as that is a calculated expense unlike a shock coming from to time with no actual cash available. Even in our national championship most of the top teams do have insurance. Those who don't are mostly the teams which stick somehow the budget for the season and have no reserves to cover total crash anyway. I believe the insurance cost is the main reason why many Czech, Hungarian or Austrian rally cars have Slovak license plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
sorry to interrupt you guys but some news in the news thread...
broadcast plans for next year http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/octob...7--12-12-.html
Finally our prayers have been answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
MORE COVERAGE OF THE PODIUM CEREMONY !!!
I have seen starving dogs with better plans than those.