Kris Meeke will be co-commentating this week. awesome
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Kris Meeke will be co-commentating this week. awesome
They should regularly get drivers/ ex drivers involved where possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Paul King and Becs Williams yapping non-stop nonsense to each other does my head in
Sardegna has not been a good event for Meeke. At least the stages where he crashed in 2017 and 2015 are not used this year :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yeah, this is when WRC+ is at its best.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Really nice having Meeke on commentary, better than I imagined he'd be.
Not a single image of Huttunen whole day I think... Doing a great job but 0 coverage. They are talking more about WRC3 than about Huttunen.
WRC3 would deserve some coverage as well. Great battle!
Huttunen has terrible starting position today, should start 2nd out of WRC2s tomorrow and get TV time, but I agree that commentators should talk about him.
It's a bit so-so from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
When he is commenting what is happening it's very good, but he also talks a lot about himself. We already heard about just about everything that happened in his career. So Østberg is better for me.
In stead of talking in the servicepark, they should stay at stage end and talk to WRC3 drivers as well. At least like twice a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
A lot is said btw drivers and co-drivers just after the finish line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Some things regarding the stage just done, some on tactics for the next ss, or the next time a SS will be drive, on tyre chioice amd so on.
More and more drivers have started to wait with this talk, until after the cameras are turned off, not to give competitors valuable info.
Every driver/co-driver will from time to time need to ventilate their feelings after a SS, without being penalized for it.
So if the reaction Mads had right after the finish line, and not the official inteview at stage end, then I feel it is wrong. I mean that "Full of adrenaline reactions" can not be used by stewards to give a reaction, as breach of the "law".
Some will say that the coverage right after stage end goes to far into the inner life of the two people in the car.
How do you feel?
It was both. Swearing in Norwegian right after stage end. Then swearing and direct vulgar complaining about tires in the interview at stopline which was quite some distance from the finish and after taking on face mask:
https://youtu.be/yezhpTL1sWU
Which population group was discriminated by these comments? Were the tires offended? Perhaps the manufacturer was...? Because in that case, what they are doing is essentially censoring criticism of a corporation, which is worrying to say the least. Unless you're in favor of massive corporations regulating speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So only when you discriminate a certain population a fine is appropriate? Get a gripQuote:
Originally Posted by MentalParadox
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Came back to watching the rally through Firefox on my PC and I noticed they took the 'No Commentary' option, anybody here has that option?
Nope, i noticed it was gone since Sardinia at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
For a couple stages i switched to japanese because i couldn't stand the nonsense. Bringing the likes of Kris and others really shows how lacking some of the commentator pairings are... They should never put any two of PK, JD and BW together.
You're right, NO ONE should ever be fined for speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
But more power to you for standing up for the precious feelings of massive corporations. Stunning and brave.
What are on about? Try less drugs when postingQuote:
Originally Posted by MentalParadox
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On a positive note the shots in Kenya are epic!
Was curious for this rally. But suddenly my WRC+ subscription is gone.. Can't see anything anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
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Julian Porter is the only competitive commentator in the WRC crew. The rest are just talking heads. They say when they see. Becs is in motorsports for like 20, 30 years? and she has no idea about technical basics. Also questions at the end of the stages are most of the time cringe and stupid AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Likely difficult to get people in Kenya, it makes a long quarantine for Brits.
There’s no Molly, no Seb Marshall or Östberg or Meeke…
Indeed, I like Julian a lot. Meeke, Östberg, Marshall were priceless additions imo. It's ok to have a talking head as you say to do the play by play commentary and ask questions on behalf of the audience to the expert. But when you put two of them together it's a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Portimao
Becs is not a bad commentator but she's got to be paired with someone like Meeke or Porter. I thought she worked well with Meeke actually. PK is a good presenter/voiceover but is lost in a live commentary situation. JD i think is forcing a certain style too much and lacks actual substance, it's like he's trying to hype up for TV but it comes off as fake, at least for me.
And yeah the stage end reporters need to think a bit, sometimes they don't even ask a question...
Just had a thought after I posted, you could put someone who has no clue about rally and barely even speak english just to ask "How was the stage for you" every time and then say thank you after the driver finishes and it would be better than some.
Stage end reporting is the most difficult, in my opinion. If you've got someone feeding you information what has happened, then you've got a chance to come up with a sensible question. But sometimes it feels like the most banal question (How was the stage) is the best one as you are giving the driver freedom to reply whatever is on their mind at the end of the stage.
Regarding commenting, feels like they need a complete shakeup to their roster of regular commentators.
The non-stop talking is still my big issue.
What's the point in having the audio feed from the car (co-driver reading the pace-notes) when Becs and Co. just talk over them 99% of the time ?
They should only comment when something special happens to the car/crew on screen or some news comes in. Fans know the rally situation and can see info like times and splits on the screen.
Most people can focus on both at the same time, and you can always watch the onboards later with no one talking over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
As I've mentioned, All Live can be used also as a "Radio" where you can just listen what's happening without seeing.
9/10 times when stage end reporters try with an advanced question they get "I don't understand/can't hear you". Sometimes you even wonder if drivers do it on purpose to avoid the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
So "How was the stage?" or "What happened?' might even be best. The only interesting thing could be in asking a good follow-up question.
How about adding an own "intercom interview plug" near the door.
Drivers won't have to struggle with the helmet/HANS and won't have issues hearing questions. You could even get answers from codrivers.
Only "issue" is that they won't be able to put on sponsor caps.
It feels like they sometimes get lost in their own little world and literally tell you what everyone is seeing. As a viewer you'd want more than you can see and know yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Well Porter is actually really good at spotting damage/issues that are hard to see.
Unlike those two that couldn't see Østbergs puncture on the wheel closest to camera on a slow speed corner in Sardinia.
He's the only one worth keeping for stage commentary, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Agreed! Is Andrew Coley available? He has been brilliant in rallycross and as guest in AllLive he was way above the usual cast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Mads Ostberg ofc should be also in the box, unless he is driving...
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He used to be the co-commentator on the live IRC events; very good, enthusiastic, and knowledgeable.
Listening to two/three voices at once for hours on end is really wearing. I end up watching with no aound.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think he did Corsica 2019 daily highlights - proper old skool reporting which was brilliant. None of the faux live pish that made me stop watching the highlightsQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I just can't fathom out why they wouldn't have an 'expert' in the booth on every event? It's hardly like there's a shortage of out of work former drivers and co-drivers! Are the promoter really too cheap to fund an additional person?
I wish there were more cameras in the stages on some proper locations, highlights these days are mostly just copy paste from all live
He's been dumped by WRC Promoter for World RX, so I can't see him making an appearance in WRC again....Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Their loss - and proves what they know about commentary of the sport......Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Those interviews right after the stages are so useless. We are watching the stages... we basically KNOW what they are going to ask and what the drivers are going to answer.
That Ott's interview was the first time I couldnt predict the answer haha
Your last sentence is the reason why I don't mind them. No minders around or much time to think often results in drivers telling us what they shouldn't! Also, their comments often give us more detailed info about a stage's condition or an incident in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I think they are fine as is, it was really annoying before they did picture in picture, half of the broadcast was opening and closing doors :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
And to complain a bit: i'm disappointed by the weak WRC2 coverage in rally Estonia, plenty of big names and a close fight but all i have is times on ewrc...