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How interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
The only quotes are from French people, whose country is currently in a state of emergency over terrorist incidents and hosts 2 WRC events...
Matton in Belgian.
This is probably better than what Citroen will actually use as a livery...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But 4 doors and aero like that, meh... they all look like touring cars. Hopefully they'll be nice to watch on stages.
That further helps my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
I wonder if he avoids Brussels airport.
That’s quite a revelation, Sal. According to those docs the Wilsons now own 25% of DMack. Considering Malcolm bright business career, DMack’s future looks promising. Good news for the sport!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd
Does Belgian airforce bomb it like the Turkish one did only few weeks a go?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
While I think WRC (and others) should avoid Turkey due to recent happenings I would rather not discuss that in this thread.
So on a different note, it's clear now that Tanak is going back to MSport and Camilli will continue as per his contract. Evans seems to be out of a WRC drive. To me that means Ostberg and Suninen or Tidemand have a drive. Maybe Lukanyuk but that's a long shot.
Here's my armchair analysis:
Ostberg seems to have options because he has experience and money. Money is attractive to MSport and experience to Toyota. Note: I'm not aware of him testing with anyone yet. Also that "story" about having 3 options and one being disregarded is clearly: MSport, Toyota, private team (disregarded). So yeah, in reality there is just 1 unknown spot left in the WRC at Toyota or MSport. I assume it will be Suninen (it's what I would pick) and the other will be Ostberg. The only unknown now is who goes where.
Turkey is inevitably going to be in the calendar. Money speaks compared to Greece in which it deserves a place in the calendar.
The issue is that Ostberg is generally quite good in the first rallyes of the season (especially Sweden and Mexico). As the third car will only arrive in the fourth event, the situation is quite complicated for Toyota because if they hire Ostberg only for the third car, you will take a driver who çannot compete in his two most efficient rallyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
In addition to that, Ostberg is the most experienced driver so, in terms of gaining experience, it would be strange not to use him in the first three rallyes.
In my opinion, Toyota is currently negotiating with drivers about this issue. Perhaps the best solution would be that each driver miss one of the first three rallyes (Monte Carlo for Ostberg, Sweden for Lappi and Mexico for Hanninen).
The third option that Østberg said no to can be some Dmack-drives.
Daddy Østberg said also that a option is to drive under Adapta again. They are Norways M-sport "business partner" so then it should be a Ford.
How many cars is M-sport capable to have ready for monte?
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Anyone else heard rumors that Poland will be back on the calendar and Turkey won't?
Edit: http://rajdy24.pl/rajd-polski-2017-kalendarzu-wrc/
Mads Østberg flew to Finland this morning - probably a sign for talks with Toyota going on?
Poland will be in calendar in 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Orsian Pryce has released his livery for Wales on Facebook. Among people he thanks is Adapta Motorsport. Does anyone know of this a new connection or has Orsian been connected to Adapta for some time. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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Originally Posted by JUF
It seems to test Fiesta
Hartusvuori
BREAKING: @MadsOstberg was spotted today at M-Sport #FiestaWRC test in Finland. He was supposed to drive, but team packed up prematurely.
Teemu / Rallirinki @HartusvuoriWRC
BREAKING: @MadsOstberg was spotted today at M-Sport #FiestaWRC test in Finland. He was supposed to drive, but team packed up prematurely.
Tänak satisfied with the new car http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ssing-in-tests
Maybe he planned journey to Puppola as well, and MW found out...?
Ostberg is staying in the WRC: " It's been an adventure @OfficialWRC and there's more to come in the future.." 😊 https://t.co/qZiF1Nyfzi
As long as daddy pays ostberg is going nowhere.
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
it was a joke the championship celebrated his 100th wrc rally he paid to drive for most ( maybe all ) of them
it has no meaning , spoilt brat , never his fault , co driver or car
I know he is slow but, on the other hand, he brings points in the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by adr17
For example, many people told Meeke could be a rival to Ogier next year but, during the two years with Citroën, Ostberg had a better ranking than Meeke.
Either it's M-Sport or Toyota, he could be a useful driver:
- he brings points
- for Toyota, he brings experience in works teams.
Ostberg staying with M-Sport could be a good News for Evans if Toyota looks for a driver with works team experience
Ostberg bringed points when they were few teams/cars and plenty retirements.
Now with official teams from Citroen Vw Hyundai Toyota Ford and with the 3 driver rule,bringing points would be much more difficult,because he is slow,and because you cant have 10 retirements from works teams at every rally.
He is finished.
Ostberg will stay whatever.
If a team wants him to drive their car and pick up points for them that is their choice.
If not and he can enter in the Adapta team then why not. If its ok for other privateers like Prokop/Bertelli and at least he's quicker than them. Plus its another WRC car to watch for fans.
I'm not against Östberg and he is nice to watch at the stages. However, he seems a bit spoiled and IMHO makes up funny excuses. Still, he is a solid points scorer and belongs to the series for at least couple more seasons.
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of course he can participate.He pays.so why not. Nobody said to NOT participate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
But works driver,collecting points,as his interviews, are laughable.
Skoda are very interested in keeping Pontus Tidemand and his co-driver Jonas Andersson for 2017.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/pont...-skodakontrakt
If Ostberg has to pay for his drive with M-Sport, why do they have him as a nominated points scorer if he is so slow ? Why not just run the car for him and have another faster driver as their official driver ? Or is there no-one faster that they can get ...
It isn't decided yet, calm down...or you mean this season?
because they have to PAY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
M-Sport is a privateer, not an official manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
They do damn well considering.
IF Ford returned with them, then they might have the budget to attract a top driver.
Up to then they are probably the best private team in the history of WRC
Does Camilli pay ? Where is his money from ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
i dont know,but for sure he is not going to be paid from Msport serious money,maybe not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
There is a big difference between having to pay to drive and not being paid for driving...
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
yes big difference at money level,but not so big difference for the drivers level you can have with this aproach.
But this is Malcolm choice.
M-Sport is a business not a charity.
So manufacturers that pay money for drivers are charity ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
thats why he prefers Camilli and Ostberg like drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
What about Tanak, is he paid or does he pay to stay in 2017 ?