Normal service resumed... JK wins qually but on the same points as Loeb.
Final has JK on the front row with Solberg. All 3 Peugeot's make the final on their last outing as a factory team.
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Normal service resumed... JK wins qually but on the same points as Loeb.
Final has JK on the front row with Solberg. All 3 Peugeot's make the final on their last outing as a factory team.
JK wins.
Even so, the sport is crap. Not a patch on what it used to be when the cars had different characteristics. Terrible to watch compared to the 80s / 90s.
So you're an expert on World Rallycross now as well... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Eddie, if you’ve seen the 80s and 90s rallycross, be it on TV or in the flesh, you’ll know most of the cars were very different in terms of driving characteristics and power / power delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I would love nothing more than seeing the series become a world force, but it’s just too sterile as the cars as so perfect, they are so evenly matched in all aspects.
Google British Grand Prix rallycross from Brands hatch and you’ll find it hard to disagree.
An expert in nothing I am, but I know a bit about rallying and I’ve spent a lot of time watching rallycross all over the UK and sometimes into Europe, but honestly, I wouldn’t even go if I was flown there to enjoy the finest hospitality these days.
Warning: Overdominance & wrong reaction for that can folded WRX for good..
Fortunately the regional RXs are still exciting..(even ARX)
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Shock news! Motorsport has developed.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
What you're saying about rallycross applies virtually across the board in motorsport. F1 cars all look the same, touring cars are virtually one make series, there's little difference between the top cars in rallying, and so on.
So what if it has developed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
Rallying is better to watch than it has been for ages.
Rallycross isn't a patch on what it used to be as a spectacle.
Development doesn't mean it's better, or are you trying to argue that it does?
The fu... Ekstrom retiring from RX... Bakkerud again without a drive. Nobody have no motivation against VW. Stupid competition....
Finally. I was expecting it.
Is that really the case though? I completely agree that the cars aren't nearly as exciting and don't sound even a fraction as good, but all the retro races I watch seem to be pretty tame, certainly no more exciting than races we've had this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Edit: BTW I'm not necessarily saying that current crop is better, just questioning whether the 80s were really that good other than having stuff like 6R4s
When you ask ‘is it really though’.... are you on about rallying being better or rallycross being worse? Either way, yes to both.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
You made the point that motorsport catagories have developed.. what’s that got to do with spectacle?
And you shouldn’t, at all, compare current retro rallycross with what used to occur, because it was fantastic, proper, on the edge stuff.
Have you seen any of the 80s / 90s rallycross in the flesh? Or even on YouTube etc? Just watch any rallycross GP from Brands... I just wish the promoters could see what’s happening before it’s too late.
To put it into perspective, it wouldn’t even have been a better year, by much, even if there was a different winner every round.
The cars are just too efficient and similar across all performance indicators.
It’s serving a fan-boy market at present, but I can’t see it lasting as those who watch it will soon realise that are seeing the same shit every race event.
Give me Gollop, Schanche, Holm, Nittimaki (I think), 6R4, RS200 and a Turbo16 any day over these guys. You would literally hold your breath from the green light until the moment the flag dropped.
I should clarify, when I referred to retro rallycross, I didn't mean Retro Rallycross, rather the old footage of Group B stuff. The actual racing that I've seen really isn't that great although, as above, the cars were definitely more exciting to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
No I haven't seen it live, but I've watched a reasonable amount on YouTube etc. and races really don't look any closer than what we've seen this season.
I well remember watching rallycross back in the 80/90's and yes, it was great. The cars were crazy and specacular and there was a real variety.
But like in other motorsport, everything progesses. And just like WRC where all the cars are little hatchbacks, the cars become more similar and the Regs dont allow for a variety of styles. Drivers have become way more professional and Teams more efficient due to cash restraints.
Modern WRX may not be like the old days but its what we have and I try to enjoy it anyway. If its good enough for Mssrs Solberg & Loeb, it cant be that bad.
I do believe 80's/90's RX was a lot more exiting. Cars where not tha efficient like they are now, wich resulted in more wild action i guess.
What we are seeing now is super efficient little bombs, whit some of the best drivers in them, Some races still have the action we all hope for (like semi final 2 at mettet this year), but looking at the greater picture i think the exitment has dropped.
Full works teams are very nice? but when they leave they could well leave the sport in a serius dip
I don't think this season has been the most memorable in the (short) history of World Rallycross, but I do think that what Kristoffersson has achieved in 2018 is being sold short based on how strong the PSRXVW Polo was in 2017.
I personally think that the PSRXVW, EKS and Peugeot Total cars were all much closer this year (I would say the battle for second place is evidence of this). Discounting victory at Barcelona, Johan has outperformed every other driver out on track this year and, when you consider who was in the top seven cars, that's pretty bloody impressive.
For me the biggest issue this year was the tracks. They have been slowly straying away from the traditional venues (which, to an extent, I can understand), but the replacements have been variable in quality and some (specifically thinking CotA) were bloody awful.
As for spectacle I think the current cars are bloody awesome. Something that is often overlooked when the 80's/90's rose tinted spectacles come out is that, although the cars back there were spectacular, they were also rather unreliable. Like the progression in rally, modern rallycross cars are a lot more reliable as well as being silly quick (as much as people gripe, I would say that is one of the benefits that restrictions have brought). Yeah, driving styles have changed with the technology, but there is still plenty of sideways action.
I have seen a lot of comments online already with people proclaiming the death of World Rallycross next year and I think it's a bit soon to start making sweeping statements like that.
I wonder if PSRX will developing the new Polo GTi RX..?
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The PSRXVW rallycross car will probably carry GTI branding again next year if they are trying to push the new model (it was "Polo GTI" in 2017 and "Polo R" this year).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnold Triyudho Wardono
Still wish that VW would put a Polo R in the showroom though!
Now that the new generation Polo is also out as a R5, there`s a question how long they like to promo their involvment with the older chassis, it is good yes, but...
http://www.globalrallycross.com/no-t...o4mb9XB_agLs7s
What is this? No teams in WRX2019, not even VWPSRX?
Just seen this article being shared on Facebook. Might be true, but I am very dubious about the source. Never seen any credible stories from this website before.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Seems very logical because racing as an only team with no serious (factory) competition development-budget wise doesn't seem something what VAG wants. Add the fact that its a previous generation model and...
Article in autosport apparently quoting Petter as saying IMG need to confirm position re: electric or VW are out. I suspect that they’re out anyway.
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https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...ction/4307150/
A good article here. And Hmmmmmmmm... the schedule is still open to changes.. maybe.
10 races in Europe, PLEASE! haha
Doesn't read well..
https://www.autosport.com/wrx/news/1...re-on-world-rx
Reads the same as the previous from Motorsport.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
The big names are throwing their weight about wanting their own way.
Sorry, didn’t see the other post. Thanks for pointing that out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Sounds like you disagree with them?
Thing is, their weight might just be heavy enough to scrap the whole thing. Hard to argue with what they are saying.... essentially, if it’s not cost effective, they won’t do it. Can’t see why that doesn’t make sense to you.
I still think that manus leaving is mostly because of VW. Why would teams pouring money in sport if they can't win a single event... Don't blow all on me now.
They still spent years trying to beat Citroen in WRC, and plenty try to beat Mercedes.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Rumours that PSRX will build 2 new chassis for next season. The 2017/18 cars will "not be used again"
(??)
In WRC Subaru, Mitsubishi, Skoda, Suzuki, Mini even Ford back off with their support. Sure they blame eonomics but why trying if you can't get the titles. And if VW didn't get into the game there the sport could die. Nobody needs dominating teams and drivers nowhere. It's just boring to watch if you can easily predict the results, like this year in WRX. I watch maybe only one or two events but I'm not missing anything for the rest if only name was VW and Kristoff at the end of each event.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrJan
WRC is exciting now and that's what is interesting to watch. I hope it stays close as this for the next years too. Don't care anymore if Ogier wins plenty of titles it's just that needs to be NOT dominating all the time.
I dont disagree with what they are saying but its the way they do it, like they think they are bigger than the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Id say that Ford and Subaru are really the only ones that might have pulled out due to Citroen. And Ford have always stayed invested in it with Malcolm, just not full factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Skoda and Suzuki were out before Citroen were really at their peak. Mini had a car with potential to challenge but fell out with Prodrive. Mitsubishi changed direction as a company and basically pulled out of all motorsport.
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Not trying to argue, but the sport is nothing without competitors. Loeb, Gronholm, Solberg have been around enough to know what’s what (yeah, I get that their interests will always come first), but it does sound like they’ve been shafted and they’ve been shafted by a sport that many are walking away from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Whichever way you look at it, they do have more power than the promotors at present and, let’s face it, the series can’t exactly tell them to Foxtrott-Oscar right now. Loeb’s comments alone, that people don’t even know he’s participating are pretty damning, to say the least.
My biggest worry is that rallying may find itself in a similar predicament in a couple of years, given the expense of putting a decent team together, but I’m just hoping that the FIA have more of an interest and therefore, will help steer it in a good direction, compared to RX, where they don’t seem that arsed about it at all.
COTA dropped for 2019...
http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...s-revised-2019
Montalegre & Lydden is in GRC calendar..
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€500,000 incentive !
http://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/ar...ntive-for-2019
Hansen keen on reviving World RX team after Peugeot exit...
https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...-exit/4311682/
He admited that if VW stays that beating them is mission impossible. Hope they will gone (and don't spit on me now), so that makes other privateers still in the game. It would be at least interesting to watch if others would step on the podiums or even win.
No PSRX in WRX next season. https://www.facebook.com/PetterSolbe...gKVA&__tn__=-R
Not sure if this is saying that Petter isn't back next year or if PSRXVW are out?Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano