Add Paddon into the mix too.
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If Hyundai offer Lappi a full season he would surely take it? Probably the best option for them.
Then Sordo can share with Mikkelsen or Suninen. Question is, what driver is best suited to the events like Sweden, Estonia, Finland etc that Sordo won't do. (the actual best driver for that would be Breen, and a Breen/Sordo share has worked). If Tanak goes to Msport, Breen could be kicked and might have to settle for a part time Hyundai gig.
An interview with Moncet who which gives us more details about Tänak's departure (I'm quoting Estonian site which is quoting some French news site)
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/1200...kumise-pohjusi
*Tänak let Hyundai know before the RACC
*Tänak weighed his decision for a very long time
*Tänak was very resolute and there was no chance changing his mind. Didn't give any concrete reasons and said the same thing that he is at a stage of his career where he needs to embark on a new challenge.
*Tänak wasn't easy to work with but he was very demanding and detail oriented, wanted to understand everything.
*Doesn't know what will Ott do and Hyundai's driver options depend on what he will do next (if he doesn't retire)
*At the moment Moncet rules out that they will continue with only one driver who is doing a full season.
This season has clearly shown Breen is best driver for those events ....oh wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Anyway, sometimes it is rather amazing how recent vs past results get weighted to the extreme.
Recently we see Sordo winning one stage by good margin in Spain and we get people saying it shows he should drive full season. On the other end of spectra people start pulling up Meeke who hasn't driven anything for years and even managed to crash on those very few starts he had.
Some reasonable balance should be maintained.
Breen was clearly best choice a year ago, right now it is not a clear pick and no guarantee of good results.
Message pretty clear: they are waiting to see if Toyota hires him which would mean Lappi or Evans should be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Not a good option in my opinion: yeah, to attract Lappi or Evans, they will probably need to give a full season job.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
But if Toyota remains like this, I don’t think any other driver on the market can perform on full-time seat; road position is probably the best they can play with only Neuville being full-time.
Give over....Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Breen has the best recent results & pace on those sort of events. A poor season this year doesn't change that. He's also got the most recent (& good) experience of sharing a wrc car with Sordo and doing well with a part time season.
Unless you want to argue Mikkelsen, Suninen, Paddon, Meeke, Ostberg etc would be a better fit to share a car with Sordo?
It's probably a moot point anyway if Breen is kept on at Msport.
We can look at Breen, Lappi, Suninen and Mikkelsen from the past four years but their programs and cars have varied a lot. The results in the Fiesta WRC weren't comparable, and partially some drivers have been in WRC2.
2019
Sweden
1. Tänak
2. Lappi
3. Neuville
4. Mikkelsen
DNF Suninen (crashed)
DNS Breen
Chile
1. Tänak
2. Ogier
3. Loeb
5. Suninen (Fiesta)
6. Lappi
7. Mikkelsen
DNS Breen
Finland
1. Tänak
2. Lappi
3. Latvala
4. Mikkelsen
7. Breen (let Neuville past, would have been 6th)
8. Suninen (Fiesta)
Wales
1. Tänak
2. Neuville
3. Ogier
6. Mikkelsen
8. Breen (rolled)
27. Lappi (crashed, super rally)
DNF Suninen
2020
Sweden
1. Evans
2. Tänak
3. Rovanperä
5. Lappi (Fiesta)
7. Breen
8. Suninen (Fiesta)
DNS Mikkelsen
Estonia
1. Tänak
2. Breen
3. Ogier
6. Suninen (Fiesta)
7. Lappi (Fiesta)
DNS Mikkelsen
2021
Arctic
1. Tänak
2. Rovanperä
3. Neuville
4. Breen
8. Suninen (Fiesta)
RC2 1. Lappi
RC2 2. Mikkelsen
Estonia
1. Rovanperä
2. Breen
3. Neuville
6. Suninen
RC2 2. Mikkelsen
DNS Lappi
Finland
1. Evans
2. Tänak
3. Breen
4. Lappi (with heavier and underpowered car)
RC2 1. Suninen
DNS Mikkelsen
2022
Sweden
1. Rovanperä
2. Neuville
3. Lappi
RC2 1. Mikkelsen
36. Breen (crashed, super rally)
DNS Mikkelsen
DNS Suninen
Estonia
1. Rovanperä
2. Evans
3. Tänak
6. Lappi (puncture)
RC2 1. Mikkelsen
RC2 2. Suninen
30. Breen (crashed, super rally)
Finland
1. Tänak
2. Rovanperä
3. Lappi
32. Breen (crashed, super rally)
DSQ Suninen (would have won RC2 but bumper too light)
DNS Mikkelsen
Also we notice that Neuville has taken several podiums in these events.
Mikkelsen and Suninen have no podiums in these events, but then again they have good results in WRC2 from the very recent years.
TBH I dont think it's worth discussing until we find out what Tanak is going to do in 2023.
If he goes to Toyota then it doesnt matter who Hyundai get they wont be able to compete.
Antti, you have small typo - 2020 Sweden podium was: Evans, Tänak, Rovanperä :)
Some rumours subaru going to present something at Rally Japan, can this be Tänaks new project? One year of to test a new car? And Märtin as a teamboss?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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I haven't heard any Subaru rumors but I really doubt that Tänak has any interest doing this project unless he decides to retire. He wants to win and drive a car that is capable of winning. And I'm sure Tänak is tired of pushing engineers to develop a car to his liking. He got this experience already in the past 3 years :) And also all new cars have amazing quality in the beginning so yeah... doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
I am thinking the same. Why waste another years in hope of getting the car right and fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
I hope that Toyota's news in Japan isn't only their Rally2 car.. :)
But it would be a different game to be the lead developer and no1 driver in the team, compared to coming to a team with long-time no1 driver with his own weird driving styleQuote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
“And to have somebody like [Juha] Kankkunen driving on some stages is perfect. There’s even talk that somebody else might be getting behind the wheel… Let’s see.”Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...t-rally-japan/
The 'new challenge' for Tanak is to develop the Yaris Rally2 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Game is still the same (development) as there is no guarantee that engineers can do it the way he likes it + the time factor (testing, feedback, applying the changes etc). My point was that IMHO Tänak wants to win now and drive a car that is more suitable for his liking. If he will retire, sure, it can be an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I doubt that Tänak's Hyundai contract allows him to do anything with a Toyota until the dust in Japan has settled. Also, Tommi Mäkinen is going to drive the hydrogen Yaris in the SSS in Japan. Dunno if he tries the Rally2 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
or maybe brewing coffee for the team at the service paddock?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
or maybe no?
Even if possibile, which car from Subaru? Still Impreza?Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Or as David Evans mooted...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
'Maybe there’s one more team we haven’t considered: Red Grey. His own team, the team he shares with Markko Märtin.
Tänak’s always been clear that he wants to be more hands on with his own team in the future. Maybe the future’s here and now.'
Isn't Impreza too big?Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
They are all using B segment cars or eleveted B segment car.
Are there any rules about car lenght?
"Subaru is dead" - Pentti Airikkala
Yeah. This essentially means retiring from WRC and just doing business by renting Rally2 cars and helping younger drivers and spending as much time with the family as needed. But no way his new challenge is to be a Rally2 development driver for Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
You can scale the model when making a Rally1 car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
On DF they were even talking about Red Grey as a private WRC team running Rally1 Puma's ! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
And in the podcast they realized it wouldn't make any sense, it would be better to just rent from M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
And if he wants more time with his family, then running a team would be way more work.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But another idea they mentioned made sense... to drive a part-programme with M-Sport. This would be more financially viable for the team and let Tanak just drive his favourite rallies or only European events.
And also speculated that he could share the Toyota with Ogier...that would be more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
https://jkleinonen.kuvat.fi/kuvat/PE...pg?img=img2048
Someone RAUTIO sponsored was testing the car...
Is this in Finland? cause I gotta say, the terrain resembles Wales a little. Also, is that Suninen?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Nice. Tänak made a way for Egon Kaur :D
https://jkleinonen.kuvat.fi/kuvat/PET+-+HYUNDAI/
Other photos here.. can't see regular car's plates very well, but seems to start with EU(blue) badge...so Finland very likely it is
It's Hyundai's official test area, yes. I was there this summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Gravel testing now? That's a bit odd, it's not like we have Wales in a couple of weeks time.
development testing, to homologate new parts. Last chance to do so before winter. Also possibly for a new driver to try the car...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
The new driver part I understand, just the gravel testing seemed odd so thanks for clearing that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Also: they don't have test days for Rally Japan, only for European events. And that area in Finland is the only place where they can do development testing.
OK I didn't know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But... if you want a Rally1 car, you have to produce at least 25000 road cars to homologate, right?
Does Subaru have money to develop a new road car?
In my opinion, if there are some chances for Subaru to join WRC, for me it makes more sense to be based on BRZ.
Could it be a test driver?
Does Hyundai even have a test driver like Wilson in M-Sport or Hänninen in Toyota?
Has to be Suninen