Hopefully the bar is well stocked for the next week. Plenty of discussion on 2020 crystal ball predictions needed next week.
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Hopefully the bar is well stocked for the next week. Plenty of discussion on 2020 crystal ball predictions needed next week.
This year Neuville was the stage win king, but finished only 4th in the points
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoknR2FW...g&name=900x900
Tanak vs Neuville went from
73 vs 42
to
12 vs 28
One other troll number, average stage wins per rally:
Tanak 2020: 12/7=1,71
Mikkelsen 2019: 18/10= 1,8
so bring Mikkelsen back?
out of those 7 rallies Tänak could compete for stage wins only on 4 rallies
not just bring him back,but to replace with Tanak.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Mikkelsen dont want to drive the current Hyundai. He has tried for a long time to get him and the i20 to become one. He is not able to. So not a good marriage. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Don't be salty. Nobody is saying that. You just spend some time digging out various Tanak-specific statistics to get your mood up. So here you have a reasonably ridiculous statistic to counter. (note what thread this is placed in)
As to the number of stage wins there are lots of small things here and there that affect it and clearly for Tanak with only 7 rallies this year the number is less statistically stable.
The only conclusion is that he is not as fast as with Toyota.
These mknight stats are lopsided. Tänak did not have the best season but he was really consistent scorer outside of his 3 DNF's and always fighting for podiums/wins which cannot be said about Mikkelsen. But we learned that the i20 is really a handful to drive.
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Umh...then again, we learnt that after 6 events, scoring zero from a crash on one and loosing a lot due to technical problems on two, the i20s driven by Neuville and Tänak were both in title contention going into round seven.
Prodrive have put a post on Facebook about restoration of Petter Solberg's Rally Japan 2004 car. Among the comments is a very interesting post by Ole Lundefaret, well worth reading.
Thanks, nice read.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
Find it a bit interesting that Prodrive is now using money on this given how the relationship ended in 2008-2009.
So what´s he saying? Have no FB.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
https://www.facebook.com/prodriveoff...29814280381846
It's a public post but you need to go through the dozens of comments to find it
Quote:
Petter was terrified. White as ash. Shaking. My brother, Petter and me was in his Sauna at his farm in Spydeberg. Norway. He had just gotten home from Germany, were he the biggest impact, in a series of impacts, netted 27 G, according to the onboard telemetry. He was 110% sure his codriver Phill Mills had died in the violence. When he had looked over towards the codriver seat the roof was smashed downwards were the co-drivers head was supposed to be. He didn't hear Phil. He didn't see Phil. Panic.
We sat in the sauna talking of this dreadful day when that particular chassis met it's fate in a hopeless battle versus the mighty hinckelsteins of Rally Deutchland.
"I just have to win it! It's my most important rally. Win it for Japan. For Subaru!"
My brother and me looked at each other in disbelief. Petter was not at his mental peak. He was somewhere between shock and post traumatic stress disorder. And yet the only thing he was talking about was winning Rally Japan.
"I need to win it for Subaru, Pekka (My brother) can you help me?!?"
We talked a lot on this sunny day in Spydeberg.
Pernilla and Oliver was there too.
Oliver playing in a plastic pedal car, going over a small decline on the lawn, rolling almost as dramatically as his father. Plastic parts scattered everywhere. Getting up. Dusting of. And Petter saying:
"That's his first roll!"
The days that followed where quite hectic, especially for Petter and my brother. And the Prodrive engineers that had to prepare this chassis, on top of Petters constant calls about diff settings, squat, and so much more.
My brother had a support made for Petters thumb, which had been sprained. And they trained together. Walked together. And talked together.
Petters complexion came back. His smile came back. But he was also extremely anxious before he headed of to Japan.
We followed the rally on television.
His World Champion title from 2003 had ensured that the largest commercial Norwegian TV channel had bought the broadcasting rights.
We wondered if he even would be able to start. If he would go off in the first stage in share fright. As he was fragile as an autumn leaf. This after all, hadn't been a normal crash by any standards.
But he didn't. Go off.
He took off.
I must admit I cried when his stage times started popping in.
He had sat in the sauna with us only days prior, being sure he had lost the ability to drive.
Now he was beating Sebastien Loeb, the driver that was going to go on to be the greatest of our time, like he was in a different race.
Could it last?
Yes it did last.
He and Phil, who I don't know how mobilised the bravery to get back in a rally car so soon. Had he wore a HANS device his head would have been held up towards the crashing roof, and he would not have survived.
And now both of them reached the finish line of the last stage as overall winners of Rally Japan in 2004.
And they went on to win two more rallies on the trot.
The combination of Petter Solberg, Phill Mills and Prodrive was by far the fastest of 2004. Other issues should keep them away from claiming the drivers crown for a second year running.
All competitive rally cars from the WRC are a part of Motorsport history.
What makes this one special is that it isn't only history, it's also a part of a very special story.
And Prodrive has by showing it an attention to detail exclusive to them, preserved this very special motorcar, so both the history and story will live on, and ride on, for many years to come. Wow.
its not for him,they just restored a car that can possibly sold at future.And at this condition,it will not be cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I understand that autosport is basically formula 1 related magazine and about also other circuit racing.
But to put Neuville ahead of Evans in the ratings?
https://www.autosport.com/top-50-drivers-of-2020
Hi everyone. I'm very new to motorsports in general. I've got a casual interest in Formula 1 and I've always loved seeing rally clips, so I decided to learn a little more about rallying and WRC. I knew nothing about the service aspect of the sport and it's been really interesting to watch videos of the service teams doing what they do best.
Random question though. I noticed that a ton of the service technicians wear Salomon shoes. Like enough to make it more than a coincidence. Does anyone know why this is? Does Salomon sponsor a lot of the teams or WRC in general? Are they renowned for their grip on the service tarps?
Christmas holiday coming, so here's a listen for rally and M-Sport fans - a recent podcast interview with Matt Wilson on his career and time in and around the team:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4pK...QqGe_kjCIVYWig
we know Finland produce a lot af talents in motorsport, but this guy, only age of 12 won some world-wide guitar competition. Absolutely brilliant!
Just watch!
https://www.hbl.fi/artikel/video-14-...us-vinnarsolo/
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Can anyone recommend a supplier of new Covid capable crystal balls ?
Should 2021 Crystal ball predictions be limited to one prediction per person related to Covid event cancellations/changes ?
do you like it? I dont.
https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...3061301106579/
:arrows::|Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Based on pure logic that thing is moving fast but based on the sensation of seeing it, it feels like something rather slow. If WRC one day will switch to electricity, would it be possible that someone else comes out with a competing series that uses screaming engines? Obviously that would rule out manufacturers, but if you can get enough media attention and eye balls, you have the chance of attracting money and as we all know, money makes the wheels turn. Just a stupid thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Neither do I, but I started watching Gp1, 2, 3 & 4 cars so those are the cars I like the sound of. I don't like the sound of turbo cars popping banging and farting but people who started watching in the GpA & WRC eras like the sound of them. If electric cars beome the norm then the new generation will think that's what rally cars are supposed to sound like.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Ha. I normally have sound disabled on Facebook, I didn't realise what you were getting at until I saw the replies here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Maybe one day, but it will take a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Decided to check the cumulative viewership for Formula 1 and Formula E. Found numbers for the F1 2019 season and Formula E season 5 (start 2018 December). Formula E had 411 million cumulative viewers and there were 13 races. Formula 1 had 1,922 billion cumulative viewers and there were 21 races on calendar. Per race, the numbers are 91,52 million for F1 and 31,62 million for Formula E.
I think there's no other motorsport more behind the paywall than F1, so in that regard Formula E has an advantage.
And if someone is wondering about WRC viewership, then in 2019 it was about 850 million.
I would actually say those numbers are unexpectedly high for Formula E. A "new" series with comparatively no history, no mainstream (= main news) coverage and same cars for everyone (afaik, haven't been following) and not being the "ultimate" fastest car like F1.
As to the vid:
- without sound it looks like normal R5 vid, a bit slow (looks very slippery though)
- until like 6s in the sound is very much like a normal R5 too
- up to like 12s and out of the corner the sound is different but ok, after that it's too quiet
- it could use some sound improvement at longer distance so that spectators can follow what the driver is doing (on throttle, on brakes etc..) and for spectator safety, this has been mentioned before whether the cars should have some sound generator that "indicates" throttle.
Agree that the numbers are surprisingly high, but in some article while looking for those numbers, it was said the majority of their followers are younger than 35 - "the ABB FIA Formula E Championship for its fifth season in 2018-19, the series claims 72 percent of its followers on social channels are under the age of 35."Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Never really watched FE because it seemed dull (I know there's plenty of action in there) but they seem to be very strong online. It could play a major role nowadays. And FE live broadcasts their sessions on Youtube. Of course countries where the rights are sold, it's not possible to watch it.
Another thing is that the races happen in big cities (e.g. the next season - Rome, Paris, Seoul, Berlin, New York, London, Sanya, Mexico City, Santiago), so they affect bigger populations.
For spectator safety there's a very cheap solution from the past, cow bells.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lol at Colin Clark's WRC hits and misses in Motorsport News this week.
The guy has an ego the size of Hyundai's budget but the knowledge the size of M-Sport's budget.......
Please don't insult M-Sport ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancia Stratos
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Interesting concept technically but definitely not interesting to see and much less to ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Rally, to survive, has to follow alternative fuels as power sources, much like F1 is doing starting from 2025.
Allegedly this car has 680 Hp combined power from two motors (its power train is developed for rallycross). We have to take into account that a real electric rally car would certainly have a limited power just like all rally classes, i.e. the real one would be slower and even more dull.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Now I'm very curious how the Austrians will ballance the rules to have a fair competition with normal Rally2...
Nope, 2x 125 kW is what I read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Sorry, You are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Fingers crossed, but ICEs future can be at risk with the new Euro 7 emissions standards, which will be voted at the end of the year by EU’s parliament. Some say they will be so severe that manus won’t be able to keep ICEs. That wouldn’t affect F1 bubble, but it’d probably have a huge impact on Rally, as the sport is deeply linked to manus production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Btw, only a few bosses in the industry are brave enough to publicly criticise EVs extreme political push; hats off to Mr. Toyoda for being one of them: https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyotas...ed-11608196665
Indeed, I believe that this exact pressure will push manus to develop other technologies. Electric is here to stay obviously, but I strongly feel we will see other surprising options in the next 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
F1 is keeping very quiet (well as quiet as they can) about this, but everyone in the paddock feels very strongly that full EV formula cars are not viable nor interesting to the championship.
Time will tell.
You are correct - Rallying has missed a golden opportunity to become relevant again. Their switch to Hybrid has been very late, they had an opportunity to make it way more "extreme" and missed it. Think about full EV on liaisons / ICE on stages (including recharging for the next liaison etc ...), maybe even full EV with fast charging at stages end. I understand the engineering challenge (added battery weight, battery life, ...), I understand it may not look anymore like the rallying that we know (which is already a far cry from the one that i grew up with in the 70's) - but if you believe the market value of rallying is to relate to manus production using the same roads as average Joe, can you imagine the PR dream by saying "you commute on these roads everyday, winter and summer - now our champions are doing the same at full speed with our EV - no problem". Wouldn't that be a true proof point for EV acceptance ? Attracting manus to the sport, instead of leaving one by one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Yes it will be dull for a few years (even though save from the noise, the lastest Skoda rally EV video looked OK), but how did you felt in 1987 when the GpA cars followed the uber-exciting Gp.B machines ?
Yes rallyes may have to become shorter / more compact, but isn't that already happening ?
I am not saying i would be happy for such move to happen, but i see that this may be (have been ?) the only way for Rallying to become one of the golden series as it once was.
Actually I believe Hybrids are the right choice for the WRC, once battery powered EVs (BEVs) aren’t ready for a proper Rally use (unless the WRC is suddenly transformed into a Mickey Mouse competition, like FE). Besides, even if their share continues to grow, EVs are still a small fraction (around 3%) of the global car market.Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
The point is that the industry may not have time to look for alternatives (like synthetic fuels), once EU politicians seem eager to impose BEVs as the sole option. Reports on the future Euro 7 norms are scary, making one to believe that ICEs may start to be dropped in 2025. If so, we can only hope that the Hybrid WRC era will allow the necessary time (fingers crossed for being a long one) to make future electric Rally cars interesting to follow.
https://www.electrive.com/2020/11/16...ions-standard/
http://www.journalauto.com/lja/artic.../constructeurs
That is all fine and dandy, but how can you maintain a championship if most of the current follower base leaves and you have trouble appealing to a new one (interested in full EVs)?Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
That is no go for me.
Rally Power: Both articles are from clear pro EV websites, they always tend to muddy the waters in their favor.
We must not forget EU for example is making it all about CO2, so if you are able to develop a CO2 neutral fuel, for example, you cannot just ban it for not being a BEV. They have set their legal base so there is room for other options.
IMHO this is a lost fight which is mostly about minimizing loses but for sure not about any victories. Motorsport in the current social and political environment in Europe (where it has the largest support base) will be ostracized more and more and it will continue to decline.