They applied for FIA homologation.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
I'm afraid it's going to be another MG S2000 story but with the PSA misery why not to try. Fingers crossed for every competitor.
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They applied for FIA homologation.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
I'm afraid it's going to be another MG S2000 story but with the PSA misery why not to try. Fingers crossed for every competitor.
Jan Cerny tested 208 R5 today
https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/...6c&oe=54C1E0D9
What rpm You think this tourque is possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
If we suppose the figures are correct (but I doubt them since Fiesta has more power and less torque while it still has pretty flat power curve)
Purely mathematically...
T = 450Nm; P = 280Hp = 206kW = 206000W
T = P / omega
omega = P / T = 206000 / 450 = 458 rad/s (angular speed)
omega = 2 * pí * RPM / 60
RPM = (omega * 60) / (2 * pí) = (458 * 60) / (2 * 3,14) = 4376
Be aware that having 450 Nm at 4376 RPM and 280 Hp at 7500 RPM means having 280 Hp all the way from 4376 to 7500 RPM which is theoretically possible but most likely the maximum torque is in this case in lower RPM.
Anyway it's just theory :)
In theory it's possible to have 450Nm torque, as it's turbo engine, so relatively easy to map it stronger. Same thing was with Fiesta for example, but then engines started to be not reliable. But for sure those exact figures are bullshit as with so small restrictor car chokes above 6,5k RPMs and looses in performance, so no way it has those figures at max rpms. I think those values are just PR talk. And it won't be easy to homologate that car, as FIA is really strict with R5 homologations and way bigger companies (than that Ralliart Sweden) were struggling to do it quickly. Plus I'm not sure what Mitsubishi will do. As car is relatively brand new, not tested enough (comparing to other R5) and when they see now Peugeot problems they might be afraid if their Mitsubishi will have similar issues - it's not good promotion for company for sure. And when you start with some shit, then because of limited Jockers, etc you're in deep shit almost forever.
Anyway I hope more and more manufacturers will build R5 cars, so competition will be stronger.
is it me or does the r5 cars sound dreadful/quiet/boring ? they don't exactly get the hairs on your back standing
Fiesta and Fabia sound boring and silent, yes. 208 and DS3 sound great and very loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by christy but
A lot of the time the DS3 and 208 are even quieter than the Fabia and Fiesta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
:D
I have to agree the DS3 & 208 sound far louder than the R5 Fiesta (in fact more like WRC cars, especially the DS3).
Regarding torque - these modern 1.6 turbo cars can definitely make 450Nm with the mapping, but it will be at around 3000-4,500 rpm.
(PS. My Focus ST is only re-mapped and makes this much torque too... but it is a 2.5T ! ) :D
Your Focus has no restrictor :p
Also don't forget that torque has a lot to do with engine capacity. Short-stroke 1.6 with limited turbo pressure isn't something what really excels in torque figures.
Test of Abbring at Corsica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsxm-kl6VKA&app=desktop
Looks fast :)
New Citroen DS3 R5 for Keith Cronin ,,,
Valais and Corsica should be the 208s most suited events of the year.
You mean there is bigger/any possibility to finish?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
They're testing on Corsica right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qsxm-kl6VKA#
nice place Corsica, remind me again why aren't they in the WRC?Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
They don't have money for WRC circus...
ahh that explains everything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Mirek replied and I don’t have anything to add to it. I use the equation with a coefficient so no need to convert from units to another.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
P (PS) = T (Nm) * rpm * 0,0001424
Yes, smoother tarmac and cooler climate should both help.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Well, at the end of October (Rallye du Valais) might be even to cold for ''sensible'' P208 R5.....Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Both Valais and Corsica aren't that smooth. Of course it's not Barum but there are some pretty bumpy roads in both events plus there is some gravel on asphalt setup at Valais.
Also I'm not sure how cold/warm Corsica is during november, not that cold I think?
Peugeot will homologate a new gearbox, which will be driven for the first time by Abbring in Alsace.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes...e-fuer-208-t16
On the last part of the article it looks like Bruno Famin is blaming Sainteloc for the problems in ERC? My German isn't perfect enough to fully understand that part.
Looks like that (according to google as well). Obviously Peugeot are confident their engine is well designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
They can be confident but if nobody buys their car...
Anyway they can show us with a real works team it shall be done :p
May be they need to sell some cars first. It looks like vicious circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
it is right! peugeot is blaming saintloc...and paolo andreucci also shares that opinion...he got is 3 wins only because of really good preperations before and during the races...and thats what they blame saintloc...Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
have Peugeot fixed that rear window problem yet
May be no, also the rear bumper is quite problematic
I think they added a thick plate made of some polymer foam under the wing mounting point which solved the braking issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by christy but
Irish driver Keith Cronin in a Citroën DS3 R5 ??? :confused:
I've read something like that on polish website Autoklub and didn't understand what they meant :mark:
OK thanks you answer my question :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_tiger
Normally today saturday Jonathan Hirschi should have driven his 208 T16 in France at the rallye des Camisards but looks like he was forfait(no time in SS1 and no presence in retirement list) :confused:
Pieter Tsjoen stoped on SS4 of East Belgian Rally
He crashed, so not mechanical this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
Unfortunately the DS3 R5 of Verscheuren had mechanical issues on the last 3 stages, he lacked turbo pressure and was happy to finish anyway.
Had the information that Peugeot has a new engine and that has already been tested in recent tests in Corsica
But has it been homologated? Do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75