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Ironically this new promotion to director puts him on the board. Probably the only guy to now turn up to any board meeting which is good progress. He can discuss with himself who should take his role, and how he can bring about necessary structural change in the meantime. He can set some targets. Actually nah I think it's a mistake and it's all bare minimum from Hyundai.
I agree though he has the power to truly embarrass Hyundai, so hope he's getting something in return.
agreed, but these are the same reasons why he is not the right guy. things will not change if they just make it stable and not deputy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
drivers already had a position on him, even public! they will not change their power relationship just because is not deputy anymore...
They do say form is temporary and class is permanent. And looking at the recent results, Hyundai badly need Ott to maintain his class and Neuville to regain his mojo. Spare a thought for MSport, who need anyone to score points.
Briefly:
1. Ott Tanak - Estonia 15pts, Finland 27, Belgium 27 - Total 69pts
2. Elfyn Evans - Estonia 22pts, Finland 15, Belgium 22 - Total 59pts
3. Rovanpera - Estonia 30pts, Finland 23, Belgium 5 - Total 58pts
4. Esepekka Lappi - Estonia 10pts, Finland 15, Belgium 15 - Total 40pts
5. Takamoto Katsuta - Estonia 11pts, Finland 8, Belgium 11 - Total 30pts
6. Thierry Neuville - Estonia 12pts, Finland 11, Begium 3 - Total 26pts
7. Craig Breen - Estonia 0pts, Finland 4pts, Begium 0pts - Total 4pts
I know most of the connection between the basis of the rally car and the rally car itself is mostly lost in the new Rally1 cars, however seeing this: https://www.carscoops.com/2022/09/hy...ond-gen-i20-n/ then maybe we'll still get to see Hyundai a while longer, fingers crossed!
at least for where i live, that car was a good success. so maybe wrc pr is starting to worth a bit for hiunday...
What shred of positivity did you find in that article to give you that optimism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
That they're still thinking about continuing the N brand's ICE lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
MONCET RESPONDS TO TÄNAK’S HYUNDAI TEAM PRINCIPAL COMMENTS
TÄNAK EMPHATICALLY SAID MONCET SHOULDN'T LEAD HYUNDAI, WHILE NEUVILLE AND TÄNAK HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING IN YPRES TOO
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/monce...ipal-comments/
Hahaha..
Then 99% of people/fans had ,,a misunderstanding''.
Why Moncet so butthurt about Tänak's comment? Maybe he is also misunderstanding Tänak's statement.
Easy to see that Moncet is on ,,team Neuville'' side.. and maybe that's why they are so behind with the car and everything else in the team.
Maybe its time to dont do "team Neuville" in Hyundai, its clearly didn't worked for 7 years or so, sometimes you have to stop beat a dead horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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i think moncet is very far from being team neuville...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Hyundai reviewing 2023 WRC driver line-up as Tanak speculation grows
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...rows/10368786/
Maybe Mikkelsen next year again with the top Hyundai WRC car? Except his mishap at the SS1 EKO SSS Olympic Stadium, there is not much to complain about his very consistent performance this year in WRC2
Mikkelsen's Rally1 career is all but dead, but stranger things have happened...
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... And so... Could he return?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
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This is perhaps a more interesting question. If Tanak goes to MSport, who will replace him? To add fuel to the fire if I'm not mistaken Neuville is friends with Mikkelsen.
Yes, they are friends. Mikkelsen would be perfect back up guy for Neuville. This is Mikkelsen's best chance to get back in WRC1 cause there is no way Msport or Toyota would hire him.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
As long as he is both the fastest and most consistent of those who are not driving Rally1 at the moment he could.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
There is a limit to how many "future talents" you can have in a team at the same time. MSport is over that limit with current lineup, Hyundai kind of balancing on the edge.
In the extreme if Sordo retires and Tanak goes to MSport (I doubt both will happen) it's not like Hyundai will drive with Neuville and Solberg only. Suninen is clearly worse option than Mikkelsen, not better speed, worse reliability.
Well, he isn't the fastest and most consistent outside of Rally1, really. At the very least, he seems to think he's faster and more consistent than he really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
What's for sure, is that there's a lack of both a clear-cut future talent ready for Rally1, and a solid, no-brainer former driver worth paying for.
Indeed the list is a bit weak. Former WRC drivers who are active or semi active are Mikkelsen, Ostberg, Suninen, Lefebvre, Camilli, Meeke, Paddon... If you add top 3 championship positions from WRC2 and WRC3 from the last three years it's Hutunen, Tidemand, Kajetanowicz, Guerra, Bulacia, Rossel, Lindholm. Some are in both lists but didn't name them twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Of those Mikkelsen seems like he would be the best number 2 for Neuville, maybe Suninen if you want to promote from within, Bulacia, Rossel or Lindholm if you want to take a risk on a fresh face but Solberg is already there as a youngster.
The point is, drivers like Mikkelsen and Ostberg sadly are already done. They were pretty good, but not number 1 driver material. Suninen still has a chance, but time is ticking fast. Lefebvre, Camilli, Tidemand no way. Meeke too old sadly, Paddon already done because so long out of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
They would be better trying someone like Huttunen, Lindholm or other "new talent". It might go horribly wrong but atleast there is a chance to win something there.
Tell me who is faster and more consistent then? Numbers and result not what you or someone else thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Suninen is not. Faster over 4 stages in Portugal, then slower in Sardinia, Estonia and Greece. Consistency is own story, after all Suninen was kicked from MSport after two first stage crashes last year, then topped it with PS stage on first WRC2 rally this year.
Lindholm has not been faster on a rally yet, but so far this year he is as consistent so he could get there. Nobody else is close.
Lots of "new talent" this year. Fourmaux,(Greensmith), Loubet, Solberg, Huttunen in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by masa90
Not really working out (yet?), rather going horribly wrong. As for chances to win only one was anywhere near (Loubet).
Hyundai isn't MSport so going with more."new talents" than Solberg would be very risky.
Do you really think that Huttunen is faster than Suninen?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lol. Hard to put Huttunen in there when he basically got no test and car broke down every few stage. Fourmax, Loubet and Solberg are indeed showing what happens when too soon. Greensmith is not gonna make it. Sad but true.
Propably not, but hard to say when not given a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandit12
In an interview with Autosprint, Moncet justified the team orders to maintain positions in Greece – which have caused a disagreement with Tänak – "because it was the first time we could do a triple 1-2-3 in Hyundai's history and we shouldn't risk it" .
They also state Moncet's opinion was that Tänak's title would not have vanished here (Greece), but it did in Sweden with a failure in the hybrid system.
Make what you will of that !
Pointless to argue about that anymore..
Hyundai(Neuville/Sordo) gave away extra possible 5 points to Toyota and 8-9 points to Kalle..
,,team Neuville''..
Under Adamo they would have been much closer in points + putting ,,mind games'' pressure to Toyota and Kalle, but chose to do bs.
Neuville deserved the win(IF allowed, Tänak may have put him under huge pressure on Sunday), but ,,man's(team principal) gotta do, what man's gotta do..'' this time he didn't.
Total bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It would have been 1-2-3 anyway if swapped positions, I don’t see a difference
That’s most the intriguing thing about this to me. When people say “but it’s the 1-2-3” what was important. It wouldn’t have changed anyway if they would have swapped
I don't know how difficult it would be swap the places in this particular rally situation. Team orders have happened before but I think its was more that it was taking the win off one driver to give to another that was more difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
If his words about Rally Sweden costing Tanak the title are correct, it seems they had already conceded that Tanaks chances were already gone. The points for the Manu Ch'ship battle are all they care about now.
Just some road penalties for Neuville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Simple and effective.
It is the only explanation they can give to this situation while not telling that they are team Neuville not team Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Like it has said many times since then, 1-2-3 would have happened also if Tänak and Neuville changed the positions.
I suppose Moncet is saying they protected the result by telling the drivers to hold position while conveniently ignoring the possibility to swap them with road penalties. Tanak told it straight they wanted good PR for the 1-2-3 and not have any controversy with switching drivers.
i don't get it, they can reverse the argument and is still valid:Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
if the point is to have a 1-2-3, and doesn't matter who is p1, there's no need to change.
For Hyundai, maybe yes but for drivers championship it would have been crucial to swap the positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
https://www.rallit.fi/rallit-fi-paik...iukkaa-linjaa/
Hyundai drivers have not been allowed to give comments to media in their test.
Hyundai is also apparently testing a new rear wing, and spectators in the test have been asked not to publish images/videos.
They did mention, I think it was Moncet, that they have new homologated parts to apply from the 1.10.22.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
yep, but hiunday historically privileged brand over driver champ...Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
and crucial is a bit too strong, i'd agree with much less distance in standing, but let's see. if the championship ends with 30 point difference, it was not so crucial. if it ends under 10, then yes. time will tell.
I'm surprised how many here wants to see Team orders ...
Something tells me the numbers would be far lower if Tanak was leading and Neuville was 2nd but with more points in the championship ;)
The exact opposite, Neuville deserved the win and I didn't expect them to issue any team orders, he would've won without them imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
nobody wants team orders... everybody wants a fight till the end for the championship thats why they want team orders...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
go watch tennis if you cannot comprehend simple fan logic...