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This is why in multiple fields it's sometimes better not try to hide things.
Anyway Toyota has similar ones, even bigger. So the question is what they are for? Battery cooling since the battery is in the rear? More importantly...where does the air go afterwards?
Maybe Hyundai were trying to confuse matters and dont want to show how far behind the other teams they are with their development ?
The i20N looks very basic and could still be at the stage M-Sport were in March, with no hybrid power and just ballast instead of batteries and e-motor.
I am glad you verify that I see correctly. It seems they are significantly slower. But if the gap is small between Rally1 and Rally2, what is the point in having two categories?
isn'it a bit early to tell this?Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
Toyota car was full-hybrid:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...-rally1-yaris/
Yes it is. This is why the words "It seems" and "if" are in what I wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Toyota's Tom Fowler on the 2022 cars:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/rally...timate-driver/
I don't get why he means with:
"The 2022 regs take away many of the things that help the driver, with things like the centre differential, the aerodynamics and the fancy front and rear differentials."
What is so fancy with current front and rear difs? They are not active like they used to be in 2006 or so.
Anyway what I do hope and what likely was the goal is that the reduction of "setting possibilities" reduces the benefit of using tons of money on testing (simply because there is less settings to test)
As this likely is the area that caused large part of the gap between MSport and Hyundai/Toyota lately.
fancy front and rear diffusers would make more sense.. maybe a typo?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
not a typo,he was talking about differentials,and not many choices about different ramps.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
He talked about just 2 different diff setups for ALL drivers.
so all the drivers of one team,they will not have the ''optimum'' setup at differentials as they like.
They have to drive with the given setup,which maybe is a compromise.
So imho will be a big factor which drivers prefered setup,will be prefered from a team to homologate.
That will be a lot of fun in Hyundai...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Hyundai are already saying how they have a lot of new engineers and want to design the new car differently.
The question then is if Neuville can adapt to a different car or if they try to make it for Neuville and Tanak might struggle.
Mostly relevant on tarmac where Neuville still uses more open diffs and handbrake to turn on most corners (see Targa Florio vids).
It's weird why the Hyundai has always the one with the set-up issues (for different drivers).
The current-spec Fiesta WRC and Yaris WRC have both been driven by a lot of different top drivers and without any such major problems.
Surely Hyundai can now also make their (new) car suitable for all driving styles.
Dammit I often read something online and then I cant stop thinking about how these Hybrids will hurt WRC...
Back in 2017 they had new cars that were more expensive, faster, louder, with huge aero and we went crazy about it... And look at it now: 8ish cars in the top class, VW left, Citroen left, Ford is not really there... not to mention the talent out there in Rally2 that should be in WRC, like Lappi, Breen or even Mads, Mikkelsen, Paddon and Sordo for example... but theres no cars and theres no chances of a privateer having the $ to compete at the top level. Idk, now we are getting into hybrids and like... for what?
Not sure this is going to work. I know theres nothing we can do and Im going to love to watch them in the next years but aaaahhhhh.. its just ... aaaaaah
haha
For the current manufacturers to not leave. They made themselves clear about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I know... I know... but Lets see for 'how long' they will continue in WRC (and how many less cars we are going to have in the top class for 2022 and 2023)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Toyota continues their test in Portugal https://twitter.com/pauloar23028946/...457905665?s=21
I still wonder where the air from the rear cooling vents goes. Especially since aerodynamic effects from "hidden ducts" are not allowed.
On the Toyota it might look like it goes to the "diffuser" in the bumper which is not really a diffuser but just an exit of this air. I guess they then judge that it is not "hidden" duct and that means it's allowed?
EDIT: Nvm Lluis pointed that out already a month ago:
https://www.wrcwings.tech/2021/05/04...2022-wrc-cars/
Maybe its for the batteries?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
That is yes, but what comes in has to go out somewhere - that is the question Where?
We do not know how long they will stay. But we do know they would leave WRC right now if hybrids wouldn’t come.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
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Originally Posted by drive
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I know its not comparable but World Rallycross lost audi, ford, vw and peugeot in 2018. Both 2019 and 2020 seasons without manufactures were WAY better. Rally2 cars would become the fastest cars out there. But it could also go very badly like "Oh, now theres a few toyotas racing alone on the front" (wec)Quote:
Originally Posted by bomber21
The whole WRC circus is paid by manufacturers and their rich sponsors. Without them WRC will quickly become another ERC with few overseas evens where nobody goes. ERC in turn will suffer as well because the same pool of privateers can't keep two major series alive in the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Hmmm I guess this is true. But imagine a Monte Carlo rally where "any rally2 car" could have a shot to win, for example. That'd be interesting. Same for big rallies like Acropolis, Sweden, Finland... maybe Safari too? haha Idk, just chatting here. Inside our head we have the solutions for all the problems but in real life its not like that.. saddlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yet, perhaps the greatest championships we have seen in the last 20 years were the IRC years. When we had so many different cars and so many privateers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You are describing an IRC series, but then again we had Skoda etc taking part in the seriesQuote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
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I followed WRX when it was Solberg, Loeb, Kristoffer son. Ekstrom, Block..Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
When manus and almost all these stopped I stopped. Got a bit too much second rate drivers feeling.
IRC was good first two years...then Skoda completely dominated it and fun was over. Whether it was due to money or just good work I am not so sure. Prbly both.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Also the Hyundai seems to use the space of the old rear diffuser for the air vent. In this location, it can help to remove air from under the car, same principle as with the exhaust gases on top of the diffuser (exhaust blown diffuser)... it will depend on how fast hot air can be removed from the inside of the car, with the help of fans after the rear radiatorQuote:
Originally Posted by pedro16
Although the skoda was indeed the best car overall, others cars still had a good chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But what made IRC so good is that we had many privateers and one off's. You didn't have to be in a factory car to be able to fight for the win. Yes, driving a proton wouldn't give you much chance, but there were many private skoda's, fiesta's and peugeot's available.
Even in the last year we had 6 different winners. Even 8 if you count the two rallies that nobody went to.
It was not. I liked it but it was very far from being the greatest championship. There were strong events mixed with events where nearly nobody went (Russia, Brazil for example) and even events where literaly nobody went (China 2008, Safari 2009). Everything good was held in Europe (with likely only exception being Argentina but that is still debatable). You can't replace World Championship with a series where everything worth talking about happens only in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
and what's the difference with the wrc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
out of 14 rallies this year, there are 2 outside of europe. And its doubtfull kenya and japan will even go through.
face it, rallying is a european sport.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/t...-test/6515895/
Wilson believes the impending new rules cycle – which runs from 2022 until December 2024 – is going to put the World Rally Championship in an even stronger position because of the speed of Rally1 cars.
The 2022 regulations introduce an extra 134bhp from the e-motor developed by Compact Dynamics.
“We are in for another very, very exciting era,” said Wilson. “I have to say: seeing the car in Greystoke [in the UK], I was quite shocked at the pace and, to be honest, that was well before we were running full hybrid. I believe now it’s even more impressive with the hybrid running up to almost full capacity.
2019 season without manufacturers and big stars was the best one. And then In 2020 Johan and Mattias returned... and then it was the best one ever! =PQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Heard a suggestion that the 2022 M-Sport car could use the Mustang Mach-e as it's base car as way to get more support from Ford Performance USA.
I'm not convinced as that's all-electric - my money is still on the Puma as its sold as a hybrid.
I don't think there are any doubts about Kenya.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
random thoughts again but I still find this hybrid thing weird and cannot wrap my head around that.
Today I woke up with the news that BMW will also build a LMDh car (Cuz LMDh can race in Daytona too). What is so atractive in Hybrid cars that Im missing out? I mean, cuz that class is totally spec for the Hybrid parts. I believe even the chassis are required to be "spec" (only 2 oem will build chassis?) for LMDh.
Porsche, Audi, Acura. Plus the LMPH for Toyota, Peugeot, Ferrari, ByKolles, Glickenhaus (you build the whole car but they have BoP to compete with LMDh) Plus the rumors with Cadillac and Lamborghini...
LeMans is huge but wec is not a big championship... is Hybrid "spec" tech really that interesting for all these brands? Was wrc being serious when saying "Hybrid wrc is the most atractive model ever"?
It’s not the tech that’s interesting to them, it’s the ability to go and win some of the big races for a fraction of the cost required previously, while still being on message with hybrid etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
The LMDh cars will likely be sold as customer cars as well, making the whole thing potentially cost neutral.
Le Mans/WEC/IMSA have finally come up with something that sports cars have needed for ever basically, a low cost (relatively), development capped (BOP) , global formula.
The grid of Le Mans 2023 will be pretty impressive, and they ‘should’ all be competitive through BOP.
Yves Matton ( https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/w...-2022/6557994/ ) :
"We have the main principles. Mainly it will be used on some road sections in full electric mode
"It will be used at the start of the stage, also where you will have both hybrid and the internal combustion engine giving you full power, and then under conditions it will be used in the stage to bring in some performance to the car following different programmes that you will be able to fine-tune.
"You will not have a button to use the power, it will be more a software and under conditions you will have the power.
"You will have a number of different strategies that you will be able to choose but the driver will not be able to set up the strategies by themselves. The system we are working on is for all the stages."