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5th January 2016, 21:16
dimviii

Loeb comments after each stage
stage#2
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sp...bastien-loeb-2

stage#3
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sp...bastien-loeb-3

works ok with google translate in English
5th January 2016, 21:34
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Kamaz changed something at their trucks from last year?

Some months a go they presented a truck with long nose, Mercedes cabin and Buggyra engine but those trucks which are now in the race are looking same as last year. I don't know what happend, maybe some split with Mercedes, maybe something connected to the sanctions against Russia. I don't know.
5th January 2016, 21:48
dimviii

stage 2 video from Tatra trucks
https://youtu.be/bVqEpsUE6iM
5th January 2016, 21:57
EightGear

Just saw a video of the day 1 accident. Very shocking...
5th January 2016, 22:08
Mirek

Prokop had a puncture today.
5th January 2016, 22:28
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oppositelock

This is another Famin quote: "The Dakar organizers have two ways of balancing performance: the regulations and the route".
Let's have a look at the regulations: The minimum weight - without fuel - for the Peugeots is nearly 700 kgs less than the turbodiesel Minis, 600 kgs less than the petrol normally aspirated Toyotas (notice the difference between these two 4WD cars). They have nearly double the wheel travel (limited to 250 mm on 4WD cars) and much bigger wheels (37 inch diameter for the Pugs). Plus they can alter the wheel pressure in full flight, which is not allowed for 4WD cars.
That leads to 2WD cars being superior offroad, especially in the desert, 4WD cars having advantages on tracks, especially with lots of corners.
Now have a look at the route: In Africa roughly 90 per cent of the stages were offroad/desert. In South American Dakar this was reduced to something like 40 per cent. Alss the organisers changed the rules in favour of 2WD cars, mainly because this formerly was a privateer category.
Peugeot is the first factory team seriously trying to win with a 2WD buggy.
Even X-Raid is evaluating the 2WD concept. Since last year they are running a buggy (Guerlain Chicherit, no. 324) alongside their Minis. It's powered by a Chevrolet V8 petrol engine and this year for the first time built around a X-Raid developped chassis.
Because Chile and Peru pulled out unfortunately - for Peugeot - the 2016 route has only something like two days of offroad driving.
After Rally Morocco Nasser Al-Attiyah was quite convinced to beat even the all-new Pugs because there they were not much faster in the desert than the Minis, and the Minis were still faster on tracks.
So it's quite interesting that at the Dakar 2016 already one stage with theoretically 4WD advantages was cancelled and the other was won by a Pug.

Yep, it's really an unpredictable Dakar. It even seems to got some Monte Carlo flair: changing weather; tricky roads and Loeb at the front!

The limited time frame was determinant for Peugeot choice, but surely they've got some kind of promise from ASO that 2wd regs wouldn't change for some time and the routes would be chosen in a balanced way (Peru pull out was totally unexpected).

Above all, it's great to see they've managed to make a new competitive car, after their quicly developed '15 version. Good for Peugeot, good for the race!
5th January 2016, 22:48
MartijnS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Some months a go they presented a truck with long nose, Mercedes cabin and Buggyra engine but those trucks which are now in the race are looking same as last year. I don't know what happend, maybe some split with Mercedes, maybe something connected to the sanctions against Russia. I don't know.

Gerard de Rooij said on Dutch tv that it was not allowed because of the mix of two brands or something like that.
5th January 2016, 22:59
Mirek

There was a deal between Kamaz and Mercedes about some sort of joint venture in Kazan (perhaps the Kamaz truck with Mercedes cabin should have been produced there). Maybe the deal was blocked by politics and sanctions and as such the "mixed" truck became illegal for the race. That's just my assumption.

In fact Tatra uses DAF cabins for Phoenix model (Valtr has it on Dakar) and it's no issue when it's part of stock production.

Anyway it looks like there is a real performance step from year to year and Kamaz looks somewhat unprepared. Let's see later.
6th January 2016, 12:27
makinen_fan

This is the video of the prologue stage crash. It's a miracle no one was killed
https://www.facebook.com/automovilis...5149519134337/
6th January 2016, 12:45
dimviii

stage#4 Loeb report
https://www.redbulletin.com/fr/fr/sp...bastien-loeb-4
6th January 2016, 14:35
dimviii

Stage 4 WP2 @dakar
1 Peterhansel
2 Loeb +32s
3 Nasser +50s
4 Hirvonen +1:34
5 De Villiers +1:41
6 Sainz +3:02
6th January 2016, 15:08
dimviii

#Dakar2016 Étape 4 WP4
1°Peterhansel 1:20.33
2° @Loeb_Seb1 +50s
3°Al-Attiyah +1:05
4° @CSainz_oficial +2:28
5° @MikkoWRC +2:42
#RallyeRaid
6th January 2016, 16:17
Mirek

Tatra Buggyra video leg 3 (English subtitles): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRubUDN4KaI
6th January 2016, 16:32
omer yetis

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX6QOmHWQAAsbsi.jpg

is he trying to do a nose wheelie?
:)
6th January 2016, 16:46
makinen_fan

At WP9, the Pugs really opened the gap. Peterhansel 1m in the lead from Seb and Carlos. Everyone else is 3min behind
6th January 2016, 17:13
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by omer yetis

is he trying to do a nose wheelie?
:)

Νο its just Nose end first.http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smi...th/biggrin.gif
6th January 2016, 21:44
focus206

Nice to see the Peugeot team so high in the rankings, 4 cars in top 8. Let's hope reliability won't be a big issue so to enjoy a fight with the Minis, do anyone recall which were the biggest problems for Peugeot last year?
6th January 2016, 22:03
Mirek

Prokop rolled today.
7th January 2016, 00:44
Rally Power

Quote:

Originally Posted by focus206

do anyone recall which were the biggest problems for Peugeot last year?

The overall design!

http://pilote-de-course.com/wp-conte...KR15-DKR16.jpg

Petherhansel words on '16 car:
“You can really feel the difference now that the car is longer and wider, with a lower centre of gravity, because it’s a lot more stable so cornering speeds are faster. You can feel the difference in the engine as well: not only is it more powerful but also you can use all the power even at low revs. We’ve almost got a ‘problem’ now of how to manage all that power most effectively, but this is a very nice problem to have. We’re still not at the maximum of our capabilities, but testing has been very productive so far.”

The new suspension geometry also helped getting it more stable and easy to push to the limits. The '16 changes weren't only small evolutions like Famin said, it's a whole new car, designed with drivers inputs (mostly SP). This time it seems they've got it right!
7th January 2016, 00:56
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Power

“You can really feel the difference now that the car is longer and wider....

It is looking smaller to me, but doesn't matter as soon as it is going so fast.
7th January 2016, 01:00
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Prokop rolled today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYE1a0mWsAAqsS2.jpg
7th January 2016, 01:12
makinen_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefanvv

It is looking smaller to me, but doesn't matter as soon as it is going so fast.

See this video. It shows all the changes very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE
7th January 2016, 01:42
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by makinen_fan

See this video. It shows all the changes very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUDSY5ktBE

ahym, thanks
7th January 2016, 09:11
Mirek

Yesterday's leg was first part of a marathon leg which means there was no service tonight. Am I right?
7th January 2016, 09:38
MartijnS

Yes, correct.
7th January 2016, 09:45
Mirek

Some info from our media.

Malysz helped Prokop to get back on the wheels.
Loprais had a serious problem with wheel bearing of his Iveco and may be out of the race due to no available service tonight.
Kolomý complained about lack of power in the high altitude but otherwise said it was ok.
7th January 2016, 12:28
Mirek

Prokop's car before start from his facebook page (they spent allowed time on more important things and the remaining puncture will be changed today right after the start of first liason):
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...49&oe=5740674A
7th January 2016, 15:03
kubiczech

live from the stage:
http://livestream.com/accounts/10468...=1452174431540
7th January 2016, 15:15
René

Thanks Kubiczech ;)
7th January 2016, 15:44
dimviii

ss5 wp1 at about 30 minutes race

Loeb
Sainz +32
Nasser +39
Peterhansel +41
7th January 2016, 15:53
René

Roma +2.29 WP1 ???
7th January 2016, 16:30
Mad cat jnr

Nice to see Mr Loeb is making Dakar as predictable as WRC...(nothing against Loeb his just unbeatable).

I guess we will see Nasser buying himself a seat in a Peugeot for next year...
7th January 2016, 16:34
René

Or leaving the car sport definitively for the ball trap :)
7th January 2016, 18:26
Mirek

Today they reach altitude up to 4600 meters!
7th January 2016, 18:30
René

Yep ! And it was certainly very difficult physically!
7th January 2016, 18:47
Mirek

Top 3 in the leg for Peugeot and another scratch for Loeb.

Loprais unofficially out with broken wheel bearing from yesterday.
7th January 2016, 19:11
MartijnS

Peugeot rules for now indeed.
Team de Rooij confirms exit of Loprais on Facebook.
7th January 2016, 19:12
dimviii

overall standings including ss5

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYIu0_qWwAAN-7Z.jpg
7th January 2016, 20:26
Mirek

Gyus do You know what does it mean on trackingdakar when a split is undercolored by red or yellow?

Despres with the 4th official Peugeot suffered from electrical problems today and lost 1 hour and 15 minutes.
7th January 2016, 21:15
makinen_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Gyus do You know what does it mean on trackingdakar when a split is undercolored by red or yellow?

Do you have a screenshot? I cannot see such a thing

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