Well, we weren't exactly a client.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Besides, now we are under NATO's umbrella.
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Well, we weren't exactly a client.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Besides, now we are under NATO's umbrella.
When you are worried about a corrupt government the country you naturally want to join is Russia. ;)
Given NATO's underwhelming response to Crimea and eastern Ukraine, I'm not sure I would count on being a member as protection from Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Ukraine is not a member but we are. NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
I'm aware of what NATO is and what its supposed to do. However, what it says it will do and what the current reality could be (and probably is) are two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Not to mention, what about an internal attack ala Crimea and now Ukraine.
What? The Treaty is just a joke? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
I knew it.......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swV1Goq31U
Russian military have now moved into eastern Ukraine.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-blog-16-april
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Originally Posted by BleAivano
Those can't possibly be Russians. They have no insignia on their uniforms.
/end Putin
OK folks, you all owe me several pints of good craft beer!Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
:D ;)
Hold your horses please. I follow news on CNN, BBC, lenta.ru, and Russian Channel 1. I haven't seen in those sources or from the link above any real evidence that Russian troops are involved in east Ukraine. All I see is Ukrainian armor on its march to the East being bogged down in Ukrainian villages and towns because primarily ordinary people, unarmed and dressed in civilian clothes are trying to stop the military columns, often simply by forming a human shield on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
You'd deny me good beer?? You are cruel zako85, cruel!Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Here is what I don't get No one gives a sh!t about the following but the uproar over Ukraine is on and onQuote:
Originally Posted by Starter
We need to disband the UN
Hundreds of people were killed because of their ethnic group after South Sudan rebels seized the oil hub of Bentiu last week, the UN has said.
They were targeted at a mosque, a church and a hospital, the UN Mission in South Sudan said in a statement.
It added that hate speech was broadcast on local radio stations, saying certain groups should leave the town and urging men to rape women.
The Nuer community are seen as supporters of rebel leader Riek Machar.
No one who might have the ability to do anything about it has resources in place to change anything. Nor would they be willing were they able to. The US taxpayer is weary of being policeman to the world and no other nation will step up. Europe is busy with their own internal politics and economy; China has their own domestic fish to fry, nor do they really have an external capability; Putin is busy being an imperialist in Europe; and the African nations are either 1) corrupt, 2) ineffectual, 3) too poor, 4) already controlled by despots or some combination of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
My point exactly - no one gives a sh!t and thank god we are out of the equation for now. I will worry about Putin when he gets to Alaska.
That's not on his immediate agenda, but don't bet it's not an option in his 20 year plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
There is more and more evidence that some "pro-Russian" green men with no insignias in east Ukraine are from the Russian military.
There was ever any doubt?Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Months later....
... and we have more and more evidence that no ethnic cleansing will take place. Well expect for those religious groups being displaced, attacked, threatened, and altered.
Eveyone is treated equal, as long as you assimilate to an equal.
Peachy.
The talk of Holy War already exists among some in Crimea. I'm sure that's because they have been treated so well.
ISIS are nicely distracting the situation right now. By the time we've finished watching Iraq we won't notice Ukraine has disappeared.
Shortly after the Winter Olympics in Sochi earlier this year, Russia unleashed the rebellion in Ukraine and occupied Crimea. I'm all glad that nothing significant happened after the Russian Grand Prix in Sochi. :D
Maybe it is a good time to get a Ukraine wife !!
My co-worker is back from his Turkish vacation. He said Turkish resorts are full of freewheeling Russian women. He modestly described them as "very positive". ;) Might be your option, uncle.
I would like to know why De Margerie was travelling without a PA and the usual entourage that chiefs usually travel with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihai
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29722498 (De Margerie - Total boss - Moscow plane crash)
It should be about time to bump this to the top again......
It appears once again the world is willing to talk, but not much else.
Nice try, Air! But I"m afraid this time there will be no debate like in the good old times.
"Mais oł sont les neiges d'antan? " :s
I had to Google the quote to make sure I didn't miss anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
And I agree, it will probably get few if any replies. With the forums so much slower, that's hard to avoid. But it's sad that as much as people talk about how they want to help in some way change the world for the better, most of the time it's just a news story without any reflection on the human side of the entire thing. And as far as governments go, those with some ability to help often still don't, and wait for the rest of the world to do it so then they can in return be critical of how it was done.
I'm hoping for the best, but don't see it likely panning out that way.
The sentiment of the civilians leaving the Donbas area for Russia.
https://rumble.com/vve3jv-we-just-wa...to-russia.html
I'm very worried about my family, who now live there.
I worked with a guy and him and his wife hit the immigration lottery to come here to the US. AFAIK all their families are still in the Ukraine. I'm going to hit him up over the weekend and see how he's doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilliH12
As much as the world talks.... they will watch it happen.
Crazy times indeed. Just subbing to hear views and sentiments on this BS. The similarities to the Cuban crisis are interesting despite being in reverse.
Does the world have a responsibility to not sit back... or is the risk of there being a WW3 just not worth it?
Hard to say if Putin has already gone off the deep end or is bluffing his way into easier negotiations.
As for responsibility, the world should be more involved in a lot of things. But "the world" as we know it is more likely to talk about it and do nothing that has a chance of impacting them in a negative way. At least more countries have got on board with giving up military hardware that could help Ukraine, but it might be too little too late.
It worked somewhat for North Korea when the western world had soft leaders, so Putin might as well give it a try. But the difference is Russia is a known nuclear capable country, so the world leaders will negotiate even more readily.
I wish someone close to him within Russia would just take him out.
#StandWithUkraine
Armistice Day today (11/11) and yet the war in Ukraine continues unabated.
If I was to call Putin a rabid animal, that would be an an insult to rabid animals. Armistice Day means nothing to bloodthirsty dictators such as him. He’s just pure evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humber
I agree with what CWJ said: #StandWithUkraine
Hi!
The situation in Crimea is complex, and there are different interpretations of events depending on who you ask. Russia claims that it has the right to protect Russian speakers and interests in Crimea, while Ukraine and its allies see the Russian intervention as a violation of international law and Ukrainian sovereignty.
The annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014 led to an ongoing conflict between Ukrainian government forces and Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, which has resulted in thousands of deaths and displacement.
It's important to note that the situation in Crimea is not just about Ukraine and Russia, but also reflects broader geopolitical tensions and power struggles between different countries and alliances. The international community has expressed concern about the situation in Crimea, with some countries imposing economic sanctions on Russia.
While it's difficult to predict what might happen in the future, it's important for all sides to engage in dialogue and seek peaceful solutions to conflicts. The use of military force should always be a last resort, and efforts should be made to prevent conflicts from escalating into full-blown wars.
I like it so much when people say that you need to negotiate with putin. Are you out of your mind? You are not negotiated with terrorist, you are destroyed them!