No Tolis, no more Adam Cup in France since 2015.
Here we have 208 R2 Cup, Clio R3T Cup, Junior Cup (with National homologated Fiesta R2 "Light") and a cup with old cheap 206.
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No Tolis, no more Adam Cup in France since 2015.
Here we have 208 R2 Cup, Clio R3T Cup, Junior Cup (with National homologated Fiesta R2 "Light") and a cup with old cheap 206.
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Originally Posted by vino_93
Cher Vino do you or can you find details of the "primes" and the costs of those coupes? The great magazine "L'echappment" had a review of all the one make cups in an issue in 2002 and it covered all the "+" and "-" and costs and prizes and was very very eye opening..
I wish I could see details of the current climate..I read French OK, and used to speak it pretty good when I race 2 seasons in France a long time ago, so don't break your neck looking for English.
Thanks!
Hello Janvanvurpa,
sorry for late answer. Hard for me to identify the costs unfortunately. But for the prices, here they are :
208 Rally Cup : for 7 round with 208 R2 in both tarmac and gravel championships :
prize money for top 10 of each round (6500-4000-3000-2000-1500-1200-1000-800-500-300).
If overall winner is less than 28 y/o : official Peugeot 208 T16 drive (ERC this year, it has been WRC2 too, depending on who and where Peugeot wants you).
Best junior (if not winner / if in top 5) (<23 y/o) : official 208 R2 drive
If winner is 28+ : one french gravel championship round in an official 208 T16
2nd : 8000; 3rd : 3000
Regulation : http://www.peugeot-sport.com/wp-cont...-Cup-2017-.pdf
Clio R3T Trophy : 6 rounds with Clio R3T in french tarmac championship
Prize money for Top 15 in each round : 7000-5500-4000-3000-2500-2000-1500-1200-1000-900-800-700-600-500-400
First Junior : 1000 / First Women : 1000
Overall winner wins a Clio RS 200 EDC + I guess there is some official drive for MC to win european trophy ? not sure about that
Regulation : https://www.renaultsport.com/IMG/pdf...maj_280217.pdf
Fiesta R2 : 6 rounds on both tarmac and gravel with a Fiesta R2 "Junior".
Prize money for Top 10 of each rounds : 2500-2000-1600-1300-1100-900-800-700-600-500 - only for junior drivers (<25 y/o) doing at least 2 rounds
Best junior driver : 5 rounds in WRC3 with a Fiesta R2 (I guess for JWRC ?).
The best non junior driver : one round in french championship with a R5
Regulation : http://www.ffsa.org/Documents/2017/R...FRJ%202017.pdf
Challenge N2S : 6 round with a 206 N2 "Série" in french cup
Prize : winner of the round : free entry for next round / 2nd : 2 tyres / 3rd : brake pad
Overall winner : one round in french championship with a PH Sport 208 R2
Regulation : http://www.rallyeacademie.com/img/cm...e-N2S-2017.pdf
I just discovered that this season in spanish Catalunya there's a cup called "Volant RACC" using a Peugeot 208 with the 3-cylinders Puretech engine running in N2 class :confused:
The cars are being prepared by Mavisa Sport(who created also years before, the Peugeot 107 cup, and then the Toyota Aygo cup in Spain)...
Birth in 2018 of the Peugeot Rally Cup Iberica :bounce:
Peugeot Portugal and Peugeot Spain allied their forces(together with portuguese team Sports & You)to create a cup(using the "classic" 208 R2 as only car)that will run 3 events in Spain and 3 events in Portugal(on gravel and on tarmac)... ;)
More détails to come soon...
Sources http://www.autosport.pt/ and http://ralisonline.net/pt
Hi Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
As I'm from Catalonia I'm on a good position to give you more info about this one-make series. 'Volant RACC' is an old one-make cup with more than 30 years of history (since 1979) that had always run cars from Peugeot.
This year had been the first one with the 1.2 Puretech Peugeot 208. The overall winner has been Pep Bassas Jr (The son of the former Spanish champion Pep Bassas (R.I.P). As a reward Pep is gonna step up to BK R2 in the spanish national series.
Other great champions of Volant RACC has been, as an example, Mia Bardolet or Dani Solà. http://motorsport.racc.cat/volant-ra...a-palmares.php
Thanks CivEngine ;)
Yep, it looks great, but Portuguese and Spanish ventures usually tend to fail (spain’s partners always wants to dominate them…). IMO it’d be more practical to have separate trophys in each country and make an Iberian cup final at the end of the season. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
What is the difference between the Fiesta R2's for the French Junior championship and the "standard" Fiesta R2?
The engine is less powerfull. The rest is identical I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Popov
Apart from the engine it's all identical yes. Only the engine is pretty much standard with only different mapping. It produces +-155hp (the R2 over 180). It makes it much cheaper to run, the kit price is around 25 000 euros (+ VAT). A standard 1.0 ecoboost Fiesta could be bought for around 13 000 euros (+ VAT) I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
At least we'll give them a try, won't we? But if something similar at what you're describing finally happens then the other proposal it not seems bad to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
https://www.rallye-sport.fr/ford-fie...ional-chiffre/
how much slower are these compared to the thoroughbred Fiesta R2?
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Originally Posted by tommeke_B
What do You expect as an answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Aprox sec/km ss slower.
Sulland, I think we discussed that already million times. There is never any such universal value. It's completely different on different stages, in different altitudes etc. The difference will be very small in Finland for example but much bigger on Corsica etc. Somebody may give You some number but what would it be good for You if it's let's say 0,2-0,4s/km? What would it tell You? Is it a lot or is it not? What does it mean a lot? IMHO such number for outsider is meaningless except as a curiosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
:p
Always fun Mirek.
The difference btw me and you is that you think like an engineer, and I think as someone btw a driver, spectator and a cup manager.
Imo Norway needs a cup again. It should be something like a R1+ or R2-. A car is more than hp.
R2 is about 20 000€, the french one about 40 000, and a full R2 fiesta 60 000.
A R1 with a 1000 ccm turbo engine on 140-150hp could maybe be about 25 000 as a cup car.
Frank Tore Larsen normally Fiesta R5 driver, drove a Fiesta R1 this weekend, and became 19 overall, just ahead of two Fiesta R2s. So driver capability matter.
I am thinking guesstimate/ ballpark figures, and always do. If same driver drove same ss in same conditions on same ss. What would the difference be, aprox pr km SS.
Life is like a box of chocolate.....
On Ouninpohja or on Col de Bleine? Likely the value will be double or tripple on these two stages alone ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Opel ADAM Rallye Cup Germany 2018
20 cars, 10 Nations
https://forum.rallye-magazin.de/rall...-opel-cup.html
Great news about the Peugeot Cup Iberica(Spain/Portugal new cup)among the events on the calendar we have Portugal WRC and Catalunya WRC rallies :D
Return of the Peugeot Cup in UK on the 2018 BRC !!!! :D
The name of the new cup: Michelin Peugeot-Sport Cup ;)
Since the 206, Peugeot stopped their cup in Great-Britain, so it's many years of absence now...great news ;)
A Peugeot 208 Rally Cup in Hungary :confused:
http://www.autosforum.hu/autosport-a...rali-kupa.html
http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=19662
Finally there will be a 208 Cup in CZ this year :confused:
By the way, except in France and UK it looks everywhere else the 208 cups will use Pirelli tyres this year...
British female rally driver Nabila Tejpar will run the new Peugeot Iberica cup :)
21 crews on entrylist of the first season of the Peugeot Rally Cup Iberica :bounce:
And here they are
What are the experiences with the Fiesta R2 National used in France?
Is a good car starting a carreer in?
But a bit strange to choose a german car over a french one....
I'm codriving in one this weekend, will let you know then ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Opel is stopping the production of the Adam Cup car. The cup might continue under ADAC, but not with Opel involvement anymore. So no works seat for the winner anymore next year.
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Originally Posted by Sulland
Because neither Renault, nor Citroën and Peugeot wanted to be involved in the FFSA Junior championship anymore I guess :confused:
My impressions about the car:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
First of all, it was very wet and muddy. Relatively unexperienced driver, had never driven the car in the wet.
Engine: 3 cylinder 1l turbo, almost stock. Weakest point of the car. With the R2 sequential gearbox (great gearbox) the car always falls to low in revs when shifting up. Therefore, you have a lot of turbo lag after shifting (+-2s before the turbo really kicks in). In first gear you even need to clutch kick to really get going, especially at the start. And that on flat Belgian stages, not even in the hills or mointains. I think the car is horrible in the mountains...
Suspension: Pretty good. Basic and not adjustable, but solid. Not much understeer (apart from the real muddy places), slight oversteer at high speed. Maybe on dry roads and closer to the limit, it will be better to judge.
Brakes: good brakes, everything you need.
All in all, decent car, good to get first experience with. But we were competing in the class with R2 cars and home made 1600 group A cars. We weren't really competive against those. There were a few Adam Cup cars too, and I think they have a better engine (judging by how they got off the line). Although I haven't been in the Adam cup car yet, I feel that might be the better choice unless you want to compete in the French cup.
If any other questions, don't hesitate to pm ;)
I think turbo engines for this small cars are not suitable for rally.
Why? They are well suitable. They just need at least some modifications due to emissions/fuel consumption optimization of the stock units. The naturally aspirated engines still on the market are much worse for racing use (Mazda or Toyota engines for example).Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
The point is that turbo engine optimized for emissions and fuel consumption can be tuned to be good for racing. Naturally aspirated engine working in Atkinson's cycle hardly.
By the way the turbine in 1.0 EcoBoost has something like 35 mm in diameter (I have it on the desk). I think that with some ECU modifications this engine shall not have an issue with turbo lag.
It is boring to watch and boring to drive :)
There is no other option so...
Yes, that is the biggest problem...
Peugeot 208 Iberica Cup will continue next year, with events taking place in Portugal and Spain. The calendar wasn’t revealed but it’s already known it will start in the first round of the Portuguese series (Rali Serras de Fafe) in mid February and may take again the initial legs of Portugal and Catalunya WRC events.
I disagree that these turbo cars are boring to watch. I like the 1.0T more than the older generation Fiesta R2 with 1.6N/A. I've always liked watching the Fiesta R2T's in JWRC, or in Belgium, or even in France with their junior trophy (where they're less powerful). I think the new generation Fiesta R2 is going to surprise us in a positive way... :)
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Originally Posted by Rally Power
First round next Week in Portugal(rali Serras de Fafe) ;)
Surprised to see Eerik Pietarinen as an entry in the ADAC Adam Cup...
He has almost 0 tarmac experience or is it gravel cup ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
(rallied with 208R5 in Italy)