Red bull were with Ogier at Ford last year, but they were also with Peugeot in Rallycross..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Red bull were with Ogier at Ford last year, but they were also with Peugeot in Rallycross..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
RB is everywhere...Sordo, Neuville, Evans etc...just not the title sponsor, but when we are talking about a legend called Loeb doing a few events, then i why not... I believe Wilson would be also quite flexible.
I don't think Loeb not doing any events next year for Citroen has anything to do with money.
More likely to do with Ogier not being happy about Loeb coming in for just a few rallies. Seems pretty clear already that Citroen have given him all they can, in terms of a massive contract, full backing on how to improve the car (with big developments on the way anyway), plus probably a say over this matter.
Ogier did say he would like Loeb in the team if he was doing a full season, but having Loeb turn up when he wants clearly pisses him off.
No way i am believing Citroen couldn't find money to give Mr Loeb a few rallies..., it probably pays for itself in terms of sponsorship and publicity.
Redbull with Loeb at Citroen? Can they pay him for a drive?
With two cars it's extreamly difficult to win manufacture title. I remember clearly when Ogier sayd something like that :"Seems Citroen does not do things half way as before"
I dont belive that citreon hire ogier just for him to get his 7-th title. To play all your cars just for two cars would be unbelivable for me because Lappi isn't a very stable driver yet
Budar said it right after the news, they had hired Ogier- they were going only for the drivers title and probably with two cars, trying for three on some occasions. And this is how it is going...
So what, different series.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
I belive we will see Loeb driving a ford 3-4 times.
They have expendable budget that they probably aren’t going to use, given the implosion of world rallycross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Can't argue with any of that. Definitely looks like they took a U-turn after seemingly teeing him up not so long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
NOT could use his words against Citroens. We could really back him here.
Not an Arab team anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
The drivers’ title has more recognition than the manufacturers and AFAIK there is no prize money for manufacturers championship position like there is in F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Depends, for who, after those statements, Citroen for sure, Mäkinen also, BUT, Mr. Toyoda has been talking about the manuf. championship right from the start.
Still shitty team despite Arabs leaving. Probably will be even more without money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
What’s your problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Besides being a major WRC player for almost 2 decades, Citroen has been involved in Rally for much longer, continuously helping the sport growth by providing affordable rally cars to privateers or organizing monotype cups in national or regional series. That’s why they deserve rally fans respect and posts like yours can only look ridiculous.
Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
1) Rally is about a lot more than WRC and Citroen have been providing cars at various levels for as long as I remember. WRCs, Kit cars, S1600s, R3s, R5s..
2) Over the past ten years, Citroen have been the biggest supporter of WRC entries going. Arguably there wouldn't be a WRC without their presence between 2008 and 2012.
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Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
+1
Credits to rallypower also!
also dont forget that because psa paid,we knew today Loeb Ogier Neuville.
+ 2Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
Still makes no sense to bring in the main man Ogier and then pay for only one team-mate. I bet he didnt expect that when he signed.
He got a competitive (hopefully the Lappi we saw in 2017) wingman and that's all he needs for his title fight, no one else out there anyway.
"Hey, Seb, we can either give you this money or pay for a car for Craig and Mads for a year - which do you want?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Why settle for 1 wingman when you can have 2 or even more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Who? Loeb, OK, some quest appearances from Östberg and that`s pretty much it. Toyota`s lineup has fast drivers capable of bringing home a podium and Tänak maybe even a victory on every event, then we have Hyundai, pretty much settled...sort of and who do we have left, capable of fighting in the top, every event?
E: Like AnttiL said, Loeb is never going to be a wingman.:D
I think we all understand that Loeb would never be Ogier's wingman.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
You think Ogier would prefer a bigger wage (to add to his millions) over a better chance of another Title ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
No.
But how much would Breen and Ostberg help Ogier with his title?
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/69-mads-oestberg/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/5636-craig-breen/
More team-mates = more options. Even Evans and Suninen were important to Ogier in 2018.
Ogier while discussing with Citroen and pre-signing:
"I wanted to know more about the commitment [from the manufacturer] and we're getting that." :D
OK, how about "Hey, Seb, we can either use this money to hire Mads or use the money to pay for extra development on your car for the year - which do you want?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
?
Of course he would prefer the millions. It's the basis of his move to Citroen: a big paycheck....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
According to Citroën press lady there is a car for Mads if he pays.
Not confirmed but rumors are a car will cost 3-4 mill, which is not an option.
https://parcferme.no/rally/citroen-v...T47gXP0GHZCcxc
I'd say this is a textbook example of "once a paying driver, always a paying driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Citroen knows he paid before and are trying to make him pay. He has two podiums from last few months to show so tries to make them pay.
Dunno how it ends for Østberg but I really doubt we will only see 2 cars on all 2019 rallies.
This is the reason EVEN don't want to pay theire drivers into any team.
I agree with Østberg, he is above to pay any more, drive for free is whats the lowest he can accept.
It is really bad sign if a team like citröen need a driver to pay. No one in Toyota or Hyundai pays to drive, as far as i know atleast.
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Either they already have 3 drivers under contract who they feel are fast enough, or once again they just don't care about winning anything. But if they aren't interested in the championship, why have they hired ogier?
I think Martin Holmes told the same in Absolute Rally's latest episode, that it's stupid to expect Østberg to always bring budget.
Drivers' title and rally wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
IMO its vice versa, Ogier hired Citroen. :D
"Pay driver" discussion is always really interesting, since general assumption is that cost of running one (third-fourth) WRC car for a whole season is ridiculous small investment compared to what car brands global or even local (in some countries) marketing budgets are. Why car brands don't see exciting motorsport anymore as good investment compared to other normal and dull marketing methods? It would be more understandable if private teams struggle to pay for their drivers. Yet we need to remember that even in 90's almost all of the F1 teams were still "private teams".
Thats not what he said. He loved it at M-Sport and only left because Ford wouldnt pay to develop the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Ogier now values Titles.