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Why not, previously he has?
Maybe if Lappi is not performing they might be tempted to swap again? They certainly haven't been afraid to do so.
But then again, without Abu Dhabi it might be more difficult.
Got the interview / quotes ? Would be interesting to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
BTW did he ever sell his 2017 Fiesta ?
Found this:
"I'm very, very disappointed right now. We are shocked and surprised, as much as Citroën itself is. We had a good chat earlier this week where I received good signals that there was room for me in the team as long as there was a budget for it. Now there is no budget, and there has never been an option for me to pay for that place. There is talk of so much money, regardless of the fact that I'm just annoyed, because that money is not possible for me anyway", he says.
More: https://www.tv2.no/a/10253374/
Sadly as much the new generation WRC cars brought hype and exictment into the sport it also made the expenses insanely high. It's bit of Double edged sword but we need more big sponsors into the sport to make this work.
To Estonia, Georg Gross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I wonder if something made Abu Dhabi suddenly leave, seems like nobody in Citroen knew before the tests started this week
We reached the point where private teams no longer can sture the pot in some rallies. The 2017 cars have become too sophisticated. So even with the money, you do not get all the needed software to tweek and maintain the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
https://twitter.com/madsostberg/stat...95788589211648
No seats for Østberg
Bastards. Now I can say that I really hope that they will burn in both titles next year. They are not the real team and don't care if nobody agrees with me. Better if they were not around at all.
They're so strange. Have been since they returned to the WRC.
They surely won't win a manufacturer's title with two cars, unless Loeb does a biggish program in a 3rd. And if Loeb does 6-8 events, then surely they scrape some money together to run Mads in the remaining events. Mads maybe can't bring a big budget anymore but im sure he could still bring some to help run a partial program.
And then there's the issue of Loeb doing events potentially causing angst with Ogier, considering his recent comments about guest drivers.
If they are only targeting the drivers title then that means Lappi is even more going to be Ogier's bitch, and forced to drop positions and potentially play the Evans role for him. Which makes it strange why he'd go there.
Real shame if they don't run 3cars.
Part of me wonders whether that was the plan, but Citroen tried to take advantage and squeeze some money out of Mads to subsidise the limited program they offered him, and he essentially told them sod off because it's an insult. He's done a reasonable job for them this year, why should he pay them to likely score them a decent number of points for the manufacturers on the few rounds they'll give him?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
With Mads out, if Loeb does do around 8 rallies, maybe it'd make sense for EVEN to further cement their new relationship with Citroen by paying for Tidemand to do the remaining rounds in their 3rd car. Though there doesn't seem to be much prospect of getting a return on their investment with PSA in future, given how cheap they seem to be...
Will Mads be building his own R4 Citroen, Ford or something else to keep the costs under control for a bit of club rallying back in the snow and ice of Norway?
Ring up Prokop, for the plans to build a Ford 4x4 Rally Raid machine?
Rig up a prototype for testing for electric WRX to get some data, for when the Tesla Model Y hits the road for an electric wrx entry.
Dust off the Subaru WRC to remind Subaru USA he drives subarus. (In case Higgins is getting weary of winning the North American rally title)
Take up Truck racing.
That wouldn't surprise me one bit. Everytime Budar was asked about the 3rd car he said they were talking to partners to try and find extra budget. Mads being someone who's brought budget to teams previously was no doubt one of those options in their eyes. But it is kind of taking the piss I suppose, if Mads was only going to get a partial campaign at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Fair enough if they wanted him to help fund a full season, but not if he's just getting the left over rallies Loeb doesn't want to do. Mads is a very solid driver and would help them massively in the manufacturers, probably a perfect typical 3rd driver like Sordo.
As for Tidemand I hope he can at least get something together. It really is getting near make or break for him and Kalle's speed against him won't have helped. But he still deserves an opportunity in the top class, and if I was Malcolm I'd rather give Tidemand a chance over a 5th season for Evans.
Probably just easier to tape it, than remove it from the livery. Didn`t Mads buy a C3 R5?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
(Tänak actually bought that Fiesta.)
Sebastien Ogier says he can see potential with the Citroen C3 WRC after his first two days testing the car he will drive in next year’s World Rally Championship.
The Frenchman, who has departed M-Sport after back-to-back drivers’ titles, drove the Citroen on a gravel development test in the Algarve area of southern Portugal.
Thursday and Friday were Ogier’s first miles of any significance in the car. He first drove a C3 – with M-Sport team principal Malcolm Wilson’s blessing – in France in September.
Six-time champion Ogier said: “It’s an interesting challenge and I really think there’s potential, with the equipment here to write a nice story.
“But that’s not something that you can do on your own.
“This is just the first day, so from here on it’s going to be important to quickly see what works and what works less well to try to feel as well prepared as possible from Monte-Carlo.”
Ogier will test the Citroen for a further two days in the French Alps later this month, as he prepares himself for next month’s season opener, the Monte Carlo Rally.
Ogier said his two days in Portugal had been key to assessing which areas of the car needed immediate focus.
“[This is] an important test focussing on dampers, which are obviously key in rallying," Ogier said.
"So we’re straight into one of the most important aspects to check and take decisions about, which will have an influence on the future.
“There are of course lots of areas for us on the car to look at and this will take a bit of time: differential, for example, but again but my initial feeling is not too bad and I’m sure we’ll find the right solutions quite quickly.”
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...-test/4307075/
I would really like to hear what Lappi has to say.
a month to get the car as he wants it seems a very short time given that he mentioned both the dampers and diffs. Will be interesting to hear his first stage end interview in monte just comparing ogiers forst comments on the c3 to meekes first comments on the yaris big difference
Ogier always complains (not meant as an insult), it's just how he is.
Meekes first Toyota interview was "everything is great here, everything was bad at Citroen".
" Which makes it strange why he'd go there."
This kind of comment must end here and now. Why do so many think that it is up to the drivers, where or for which team they end up driving.
The vast majority of drivers (maybe apart from one) are in the team that team managers, sponsors and driver managers decide.
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[QUOTE=er88;1201093]They're so strange. Have been since they returned to the WRC.
They surely won't win a manufacturer's title with two cars, unless Loeb does a biggish program in a 3rd. And if Loeb does 6-8 events, then surely they scrape some money together to run Mads in the remaining events. Mads maybe can't bring a big budget anymore but im sure he could still bring some to help run a partial program.
And then there's the issue of Loeb doing events potentially causing angst with Ogier, considering his recent comments about guest drivers.
If they are only targeting the drivers title then that means Lappi is even more going to be Ogier's bitch, and forced to drop positions and potentially play the Evans role for him.
" Which makes it strange why he'd go there."
This kind of comment must end here and now. Why do so many think that it is up to the drivers, where or for which team they end up driving.
The vast majority of drivers (maybe apart from one) are in the team that team managers, sponsors and driver managers decide.
Yeah mid way through Thursday's test i think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Haven't heard anything about that, doesn't seem like a car worth buying anyway, like the previous model.
I drove 3 hours to a winter test with that once and then the revers gear broke after two runs...
Østberg's don't have any Impreza WRC left, only a Legacy Gr.A.
If there's any truth to Lappi faling out with the team after that little testing incident that must be part of the reason he went to Citroen i guess.
Don't know where to post this (I'm sure Eddie will put me right) but this is Been, today driving a 6R4 on Moll's Gap.
He is wearing Citroen gloves, so I can't be the far off... anyway, it's just a bit special, enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/CraigBreenO...12010456724881
ah yeah, sorry, but I could only find a Facebook version thus far.
ogier..
"initial feeling is not too bad.."
"I'm sure we'll find the right solutions quite quickly.."
"focusing on dampers"
"But that's not something that you can do on your own"
"I really think there's potential"
to me ... he was not that impressed
and this the is rehomolgated C3 compared with what 2017 and 1/2 2018 season was..
Im a fan of craigs but right through his career ive noticed how much he moves the steering midway through a lot of corners lots of sharp turn in straighten wheel turn in again straighten wheel turn in again. And all that in quite a fast corner. If he could tidy that up he would b much quicker n probably a few less spins
I watched a motoring programme, not too long ago, where one of the presenters went on a driving course with a fella that teaches a lot of formula one drivers methods to make them quicker around a track. The drivers included several world champs, I believe, and they come back for refresher courses with him. It's all done in a stock vauxhall astra, so it's purely down to method making them quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
One of the methods taught, is contrary to using smooth steering inputs. It is to turn in quite sharp, straighten the wheel, turn in sharp again, straighten, and so on, effectively making a smooth curve into a 50p piece shape (apologies if not from UK and don't know what 50p is)
Interesting points, but I think Breen would have done everything to eliminate something so obvious from his technique, if is was causing such time loss (I guess).Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Wasn't Sainz renowned for the same sort of thing?
That is my point. Breens steering inputs are similar to those taught as I mention above, it's all about steering with more angle, straightening up the wheel maybe several times through a corner to keep the road wheels as straight as possible through the corner, creating less friction and therefore more speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
For anyone interested, the guy is called Rob Wilson if you want to read about some of his theories.
@wia5958 Its a well-known technique that even road drivers like myself use. Turn sharply and then straighen is to 'prepare' the tyre for corner. It then it takes the next input more easily. This is rather than going from totally settled on the straight to fully unsettled as it goes into a corner.
I think I’ve seen the same thing.... to be fair, if they can pedal an Astra at speed, they’re ready for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Loads of different techniques out there I guess. Schumacher was renowned for tipping the thing in its side in a very aggressive manner, whereas Button was super- smooth in the turn-in phase.
Thanks eddie never new how to take a corner before. N my point is its an awful lot of movement on fast corners where straighten n open wouldn apply as much places where its not actually needed but hey what do i know
Breen just retired in the 6R4 with a broken propshaft.
That’s a bit harsh, even Ostberg recognizes that in 2018 he got a much better deal than initially expected: https://www.facebook.com/MadsOstberg...type=3&theaterQuote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Since the beginning, Budar said he was only sure about having 2 cars in 2019, the third would depend on Abu Dhabi talks and, apparently, those didn’t end in a positive way. For sure it’s a bit frustrating not seeing Citroen fighting for the manus tile, still they seem to be in a much better position than last year, after signing the 2 best drivers available, one of them incidentally the current, for the 6th time, world champ.
so does this def mean no Loeb either?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Apparently it means no LoebQuote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...utings-in-2019
Loeb saying he's open to drive for any team, but can he bring any sponsorship money as Red Bull is with Ogier at Citroen ?
And I cant really believe that he could drive for a competitor against Citroen.
Would be great to finally see Loeb diving something other than a Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Are you serious with the idea of "Loeb bringing money to a team"? That's as good as saying Loeb is a pay driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
‘with any team in any discipline’Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Loeb’s said it before to the French press: his main plan for 2019 is to do a full WRX season with his own team running the 208’s, with some help from Peugeot; somehow the program seems to be stuck, so he’s probably pressuring PSA to push it forwards.
A few C3 WRC outings are an extra and probably not that important for him or Citroen atm.
So, highest wishful thinking is Loeb bringing money to MSport, whom then afford Ostberg and Tidemand as 2nd and 3rd drivers. What a dream!!
Well, actually, Loeb bringing sponsors (aka money) is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky