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So last weekend
Ogier = 1.0 * ((30*10) + (30 * 10 * 0.3 * 1)) = 390
Lukyanuk = 0.5 * ((30*10) + (30 * 20 * 0.3 * 0.7)) = 213
Lazslo Zoltan = 1.0 * ((0*10) + (30 * 1 * 0.3 * 0.5)) = 4.5
Jari Huttunen = 1.0 * ((2*10) + (17 * 20 * 0.3 * 0.7)) = 91.4
Andrea Crugnola = 1.0 * ((7*10) + (30 * 20 * 0.3 * 0.7)) = 196
Kalle Rovanpera = 1.0 * ((9*10) + (9 * 10 * 0.3 * 1)) = 117
Patrizia Perosino = 1.0 * ((0*10) + (0 * 20 * 0.3 * 0.7)) = 0
I think.
I'm not sure what purpose it serves. Does it really add any value to the sport? I'd much rather they concentrate on working to add more manufacturers to the paltry 3 we currently have.
Might help with onboarding sponsors when a driver wants to climb in and drive a Toyota, Hyundai, Ford, Citroen, Peugeot, Proton, Skoda, Volkswagen, Opel, Renault, Abarth, Alpine, or even Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Mini, Audi, Dacia...
In official rules for GRR i do not see anything about additional points which are given for legs.
For a Rally2 driver, it was harder competition in ERC than in WRC this year.
So it seems to be too much of a difference btw those two series.
Maybe ERC should be at 0,7 compared to WRC @ 1.0 and the other regional championships @ 0,4.
Well there is a coefficient for number of starters. WRC2 has so few this year that it should reduced the rankings.
No idea how it will work in 2022 with merging of WRC2/3.
It's a lot harder v Rally1 overall, but yes it does multiply by class results too. Perhaps a ROI guarantee! I'm not sure I agree ERC was harder than combined WRC2/3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
It's done by Rally2, so no difference between 2022 and 2021.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
why waste time, energy and money on another pointless thing..
That was only thing missing from world rallying..
It's so attractive that now new manus and drivers will run like crazy to participate!
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Originally Posted by AndyRAC
The only reason why this exists is that some useless people emplyed by FIA need to show an activity to get paid. Same things happen in every corporate or bureaucratic structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Another example of FIA doing stupid stuff instead of having a proper strategy for developing WRC. They are behind all other categories of motorsport.
Elena would not do Monte if Loeb makes WRC return
DirtFish understands if Loeb does the 2022 Monte Carlo Rally it will be with a new co-driver
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/elena...es-wrc-return/
In what way are they behind? WRC is a production car world championship that actually exists and is heading into the 50th year. You guys should start a thread "how to develop WRC and attract new manufacturers".Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
This GRR initiative isn't about WRC, there's no points or championship and probably won't be mentioned at the top. If you don't like it and don't care for the regionals, nationals and emerging talent, don't look.
10 or so years ago we had something called Castrol driver ranking. To try to find the best driver among WRC, F1 and Nascar.
I just found this, it could be more out there.
https://www.performancemagazine.org/...-1-nascar-wrc/
https://f1banter.files.wordpress.com...lculations.jpg
It is not an easy exercise to compare apples and pears, and I dont think that ranking lasted for many years.
Same with the rally ranking. It is made for a driver in a Rally1 car in WRC to win every time. So not easy to spot up and coming talent using this one!
But what the hell, lets enjoy the stats, and see how it can be made better year by year!
The idea that the APRC is more competitive than a national competition, even NZRC to keep it in the same region... it just makes it some kind of FIA clout ranking, it's not to do with actual driver skill. There are national championships that far exceed the competitive depth of some of the regional ones.
Daniel will not be with Seb at Monte
https://www.facebook.com/DanielElena...3468335799386/
Maybe it’s the other way around, they persuade drivers to join APRC to get high ranking points? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
It's limited to the Rally1-5 cars too so won't be a good representation of the quality in either APRC, NZ or a lot of nationals outside Europe. That should be fixed even if just outside WRC and Europe.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/elena...riving-career/Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Here some bits translated to english.
Hearing from a reliable source that Adamo MIGHT be out after all
https://streamable.com/8ud138
And Markko Märtin from RedGrey will take his place?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
No. It will be Pernilla Solberg
Ott Tanak.
Satisfies retirement rumours, Monza refusal and continued (substantial) testing involvement.
You heard it here first.
Walter Rohrl.
He's German. It's so obvious.
You heard it here second.
Andrew Johns
You heard it here third
I heard Guy Verrier is in talks with them.
Well reading last Dirtfish news was on about same level as this...
Puma program (speculation) for some guy from down under that does 2-4 national rallies a year ending 4-6th in them and that nobody in Europe ever heard of.
At this rate we might end up hailing Greensmith as first rate WRC championship challenger soon.
To me it looked similar to the Jocius guy in 2020. At least this guy has a business he promotes through rallying.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-p...ally1-program/
Remember, these drives are never "taken away" from a young talent.
That seems less and less to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Most recent example, Greensmith "signed" for full year while Fourmaux is seemingly still haggling about money.
This guy talking about possible Puma starts while Huttunen says he knows nothing about next year.
Suninen is out of MSport already, etc.
If MSport can get "full price" from some guy with no hope for good result and much less from a "talent" it seems they go for the full price option.
They're a business, not a charity.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Rally cars cost money to build and run - who knew?
If the 'talent' hasn't got the money to run, the car stays at Dovenby Hall. It's not like the guy with €1 more steals the car away from them.
I'm quite sure this Australian dude will not be driving for manufacturer points. It will be a customer "gentleman" drive. Greensmith has blended the border here by making their way into the manufacturer team, but is also likely to score better manufacturer points than the average customer "gentleman".Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It's also good to remember that these customers could be what keeps M-Sport in the business because they don't have the car manufacturer budget behind them.
Heard a rumor that New Zealand Rally will not take place and it will be replaced with rally Germany. Real pity if true.
Is there a 'Rally Germany' to replace it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sti123
After 2 years, surely there's not much left of the organisation....?
Indeed..
There is a new rally in the area of Rally Germany on the 1st and 2nd of July but only 6x 2 stages. :)
lol, that's how it starts.. didn't expect it so early tho :D
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-o...me-wrc-return/
Also bear in mind that such gentelman drivers will be able to compete in 2021 WRC cars in 2022Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yep, they are business who's primary goal is to be profitable, not to win or perform well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Results are just a requirement for
a) Ford to keep supporting them in some way (is it really?, seems like Ford doesn't care much about results as long as it's "MSport WRT").
b) Customers to keep paying them (and not go to Hyundai like Loubet and Veiby did, or rather drive WRC2 in a competitive car like Lappi, Mikkelsen and Suninen all did this year)
But part of their business model is also in raising and "selling" drivers, like Tanak and Evans. Hard to sell anyone if they only get non-competitive drivers.
Personally my long term issue with them is when they try to pretend otherwise (not only in press releases but also in interviews).
My long term issue with some fans is when they defend how this is great. It might be better than one less team, but only to a certain point. If it's as bad as this year they might as well have left for my part. (For someone standing on the road-side of a stage it is still better than less WRC cars for sure).
In either case any real fan of MSport should want them to be better and be able to compete, not defend how well they make money.
You know it's not like that. A talent like Huttunen surely has some sponsors that can pay say 70% of the price, doesn't get him a drive when MSport doesn't want to use any own money.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Would the car still stay in a garage if Huttunen with half the money was the only option (for example due to some rules, as was suggest when 2017 cars started)?
See also the above comment. A talent like Huttunen can potentially bring future profits, which is why MSport might "invest" in them and run them for less money as they have done with many drivers before.
That article mentions Puma specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Guess some posters don't anything more useful to do than shit on a team that was, is and will be in WRC (unlike the ones they support...) and has proven time and time they can challenge for the titles and win them when things go their way...
I cant like this post enough, then there´s the ones that think they know better and should be running the teams, its laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
They challenge for titles (and very occasionally win them) when they act like a proper team and employ the best team/drivers possible. That's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
They are getting a bit of stick for next for next year, because they told the world they had the means to try and attract at least one of the top top drivers which would've been millions in salary + a financial commitment to maintain proper development for a few yrs. In fact, Malcolm even said it would be his dream to have 3 strong drivers like he did with Ogier/Evans/Tanak....
So either they lied to their fans about that, or they've waved the white flag because they couldn't get (Tanak/Evans/Neuville), and decided to go into money making mode instead of employing the next best available drivers.
If they wanted to be a serious team they could've had Breen, Lappi and Mikkelsen in a 3 car team for a full year - that's still a damn good lineup (especially if the car has an early advantage). Then with full pay driver Greensmith in a 4th car and good prospect Fourmaux in a 5th car with red bull backing (possibly shared with Loeb, as Seb wants to do his 4rounds).
Instead, we effectively have pay drivers/ drivers with backing in the 2nd and 3rd cars, plus the pay/gentlemen drivers in the 4th/5th/6th cars too (besides Loeb for a few events).
It's great they're still in the WRC and will be here for years considering the business they have, but Ford also invests in them more than some people like to make out. They aren't hung out to dry by Ford.