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More "green-washing" ...Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Obviously the fuel that the rally cars consume are only a small part of the carbon footprint of the WRC, but also the most visible one. It's more of a symbolic decision, and also possibly something that is in the interest of the manufacturers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yes. My original post was complaining about that but I deleted cuz I dont want to be like that anymore... I mean. Im all pro all-electric (and autonomous) public transportation (cars, bikes, bus, trucks....) using only renewables to generate the power and etc.... But we KNOW that "We cant save the environment because we are the ones destroying it". You cant save the planet by PRODUCING MORe and more. "Lets save the planet! How? Well...by producing 10 electric SUVs to have a new racing championship".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
This is BS. We produce 50bi tons of shit into our atmosphere every year when we should be producing zero... So, Im not buying into nothing FIA is doing. But Im trying to be more neutral.
Will it keep WRC alive? Yes! So fine, bring it.
Iīd say it doesnīt excist.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
The key is "net" emission. Basically when production consumes less CO2, even with same emission, you can say that net is lower. Marketing guys are happy, everybody are happy :)
And even then, you cant be "zero emission" because you travel to the events. And the event itself has fans traveling to the circuits. And the new parts of the cars have to be produced... etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Again.. Im 100% into these things and I appreciate the effort... I just dont like the FACT that its all a lie and they keep pushing that lie.
There was an electric dirt bike manufacturer called Alta Motors (I think Harley bought them?) and I loved the fact that they were so honest: "Im not doing this for the environment. We are doing eDirt bikes because 1) the performance. 2) we are a startup so I want some big brand to buy our know-how for me to get richier."
Perfect! haha
With hybrid Rally1 cars now up and running, what can we expect from the next generation? How will they stack up against the outgoing #WRC cars?
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-q...ld-rally-cars/
M-Sport happy with progress in Spanish test:
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/m...pment/6506113/
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...19679063453702
Hyundai Rally1 introduced soon?
I went to se M-Sport test in Catalunya.
Here is the video,seems nice that Hybrid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_So...Z18hdJy8_XwGXt
Well, I donīt change my mind about the car looking heavy and slow. Maybe they just drove in cruising mode, I donīt know...
yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
more https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...330329089?s=20
https://twitter.com/HMSGOfficial/sta...904363008?s=20
In that second video you can see just the one door handle. So will they use the ‘scaling’ rule to make a 5-door road car fit onto a 3-door shape? Or is this a mule of the current WRC with body panels and lights from the new car?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Its the new i20.
so many drivers out there (evans, rovampera, neuville, tanak, suninen, meeke, sordo, breen, febvre, lappi, paddon, mikkelsen, ostberg, formaux, kajetan, ingram, solberg, kopecky, lukyanuk...) capable of being racing in the top class... but we have so few cars =[
Any indications that teams will all have at least 3 cars for every round? Will MSport produce some extra cars for "privateers"?
Yes, that's true. It always makes me sad :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Random thought...
If we could put Formula-e's engines and batteries on a "roll cage" with some panels to make it looks like a Skoda or a Fiesta... How many stages would that car be able to run? I mean, Formula-e races have 45min on medium to high performance power. If this "eRally car" could run in some of the WRC stages. Like 4 stages per day - Two in the morning, charge/change batteries, two in the afternoon - Couldnt WRC already try an electric class just for the sake of it? Like MotoGP have its own electric class.
I mean... it could even be as powerfull as the R5s or the top class, but running less stages. Maybe just the first loop of the day.
in Germany there's the opel corsa ev cup along national rallyQuote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
That's difficult to estimate. We don't know what is the average power delivered in WRC stage, neither we know what is the average braking power in a WRC stage (and for sure the values from stage to stage will float way more than on circuits). Recuperation data are not available even for Formula E, therefore we can not use even that for some simple math.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
54 kWh battery (385 kg weight), with 200 kW maximum output that makes 16 minutes of full output without recuperation.
The easiest we can do is to estimate liaisons. The real power consumption of EVs in traffic per ADAC testing is between 15 to 24 kWh/100 km (from Ionic to Tesla X). Let's take 20 kW/h. In that case the battery is large enough for 270 km of liaison cruising without reserve.
If we consider that the Formula E drives for 45 minutes it means their average power output (minus recuperation) is lower than 72 kW, let's say 70 kW because on circuit they can finish with nearly dry battery. Now let's estimate the same conditions for the rally car, i.e. average delivered power 70 kW (95 Hp) with peak power 200 kW (272 Hp). If we take an average speed of a WRC stage to 100 km/h it means they can do 75 km of stages - without reserve and without liaisons.
But the Formula E weights only 900 kg which is completely unreal for a rally car. With nearly 400 kg of batteries the rally car would be probably around 1400-1500 kg heavy.
What we can take from that is that a rally car with Formula E battery which would be able to do let's say 50 km of stages + 100 km liasion on one battery would be for sure slower than Rally2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13R9hF0z8Ss&t=1s
Juho in the new Toyota 2022. The car is the 2020 with some new air intakes
Not all of them are capable of the top class.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Do you also see them slower or is it my fault?
yes they seem much slower.Early days but the difference is big.Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
What we have seen can be just first functional tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's clear that Rally1 will be slower than current WRC cars. They will have simpler suspension, transmission and aero.
Will be interesting to see how they jump now since it seems it's mostly front aero that's removed and with those wents as well, Yaris was almost a little boring on the jumps.
Looks like they made a sort of diffuser in the bumper on the Yaris.
At first I also thought that it's mostly front aero, but on second look it's not. The massive rear diffusers get much smaller and also the "hidden ducts" should get removed, which I assume will lead to removal of the "mini diffusers" ahead of rear wheels.
[QUOTE=EstWRC;1270504]https://motorsport.hyundai.com/hybri...1lihRmqXznO5GQ
This looks like very early mule. There is basically no aero at all and very old wing. Something like the mid 2016 testing Yaris.
if you watch at first photo this mule use new front lights from new generation i20.Something that we havent seen till now if i am not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
It's entirely likely that the "base" is already new. Was reacting to how the outside looks, with basically nothing aerodynamic anywhere (not even rear brake cooling ducts) and what seems like exactly the same wing they used from 2017 to start of 2020. Heck it doesn't even have mirrors!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Kinda reminds me of the very early Yaris test days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5faWTw9mac
some closer look at photos posted by Estwrc
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1621158262.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1621158253.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/mont...1621158244.jpg
https://twitter.com/MiniRallyGT/stat...08324358295553 reckons the images have been photoshopped...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1goOJEX...pg&name=medium
Quite a nice and embarrassing fail..
Hyundai didn't want their competitors to see those parts?
What do you mean with 2020 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
That hybrid mule is based on current Yaris GR not old YarisWRC17-21 (different body type)
Maybe he meant canceled yaris that were tested for 2021 season
Lol..
Why all that PShopping :D
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2558724787755061
So it's not a photoshopping, it's actually in the livery?
they were there on IG teaser vid, somehow gone on official photos and now back on real video.. should be quite clear, but okay :D
left ones are official photos, right ones from fans vid
https://i.imgur.com/etd7sPJ.jpg