So,
Monte-Carlo Tarmac-Snow
Sweden Snow
Mexico Gravel
Tour de Corse Tarmac
Argentina Gravel
Portugal Gravel
Sardegna Gravel
Finland Gravel
Deutschland Tarmac
Turkey Gravel
Catalunya Gravel-Tarmac
Great Britain Gravel
Australia Gravel
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So,
Monte-Carlo Tarmac-Snow
Sweden Snow
Mexico Gravel
Tour de Corse Tarmac
Argentina Gravel
Portugal Gravel
Sardegna Gravel
Finland Gravel
Deutschland Tarmac
Turkey Gravel
Catalunya Gravel-Tarmac
Great Britain Gravel
Australia Gravel
Monte-CarloQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Sweden
Mexico
Corsica
Argentina
Portugal
Italy
Finland
Germany
Turkey
GB
Spain
Australia
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We don't need Mexico and Argentina on calendar in same time. Very similar rallies.
Criminal is New Zealand not in.
Even if we do, why not put them one after another with a 2 weeks difference?? After that make one of the european rounds come also 2 weeks one after another then you make room for another summer round... Or just make the summer brake a little longer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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Or at least just put Mexico and Argentina as rounds that follow eachother. That way you don't have to ship cars to Europe for one single round, and then back again. It's not really cost effective..
The cars always fly back and forth. Making rounds like that close together doesn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
They also need time to send the seafreight from event to event.
They always ship the cars from Mexico directly to Argentina and they use other cars for the European round in the middle of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
Spain should be full tarmac due to the shortage of tarmac events.
Mexico and Argentina should both be in the calendar, are people really wanting to lose another non European event?
NZ should have been in over Turkey, but hopefully Turkey can provide the championship with a really rough "car breaker" of an event. The old event in Turkey was just that, along with Cyprus and Greece but we've lost all of them.
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Mexico replaced by New Zealand is the ideal.
No they don't. Not the manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Recce and service cars yes, but competition cars go back to the main base for servicing. They are pretty beaten after those rough events and need a good overhaul and checking, not something you can do in a tent. If anything, it would be more expensive to have those events so close.
How come Australia has kept it's place since 2013 is beyond me, I mean the entry list is quite small especially now it's the season finale, and it doesn't have that special gravel it used to have back in Perth. Why can't they just take out Australia, bring back NZ, put Wales @ the end of the season, and for the time being don't have a replacement for Poland & once they find a proper rally add it to the calendar.
I guess it's all about the money and who pays best. On a bit of a different note, I hope the rallies will be longer than this year's average of 320Km of competitive driving.
Yes, they can do that. The new wrc cars has proved their reliability to last longer routes, they might even reconsider getting rid of rally2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Also a return for more night time stages would be nice in rallies like: Sweden, Corsica, Germany, Wales (more than this year), Spain... Would add a bit of an adverse challenge for the crews.
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Nah. Both events are really unique and we need the championship to be more worldwide. A European event has to go if they are going to stick with just 13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
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I don't agree with that. I think the point of Rally2 is that we have more manufacturer cars by the last day. Rally2 cars can score manufacturer points and that's a reason for manufacturers to put the cars into rally2, as well as drivers being able to score power stage points.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But I wouldn't mind having a bit more stage kms, maybe a thursday evening leg after the super special.
Mexico and Argentina have so short entry list that donīt deserve slot in WRC. Itīs not right that you can buy WRC(2/3) points.
There are other rallies outside europe which would attract more entries.
And many rallies inside europa which are better than Mexico or Argentina.
NZ is just too small a car market for anyone to care about. The reality is that is just has nice roads. If they're not able to pay, I imagine that's not enough for the teams or promoter to actually want to go there.
NZ had 146,000 new car registrations in 2016.
Australia had 1,178,000....
That's a big difference...
Yes. But as discussed before, the impact you have on that market is important too. In Australia nobody cares about the rally. So how much return do you get then? Finland has a small car market but when the rally is there, it's the biggest event in the year and everyone is following it. For the manufacturers it's better to find another marketing strategy in those big countries where nobody cares about rallying, and use rallying where people are interested. You cannot "build" interest in WRC in just a couple of years.
In Finland we sell way less cars than NZ does, but still teams usually vote Finland as best event, so nothing to do with car sales. If we only look car sales, we would have India, China, USA, Russia...
Was going to post the exact same thing.
I've spectated one national rally in NZ and the atmosphere was great. In Finland the fans are the most passionate especially for the local boys, but they're just fans at heart for the damn love of the sport. You have people waiting outside at early morning hours just to see rally cars go by. Families will make camp at a rest stops or in front of their house because they know the cars will be passing by. Old, young and even little kids know what time it is when there is a rally in Finland. I hear its the same for the F-Cup national rally guys as well. In comparison I saw nothing like this in Australia, Mexico and now Germany. If there is one rally you need to go see it is Finland. I think Finland is for rally as California is for people who want to be in the entertainment business. If you live in Finland you have all the resources to go rallying. It's brilliant. NZ is very similar in so many ways. They have great roads, tons of support, good fans who behave and respect others and beautiful scenery. The money they would make from ticket sales would be a hell of a lot more than Australia.
NZ national rallies were also very similar. People would be standing around street corners with their NZ flags waiting to cheer on the drivers. Very similar to Finland, but at a much smaller scale. They truly deserve a round of the WRC even if it means canceling Australia which as far as spectating is concerned sucks major donkey balls. Did I mention Rally Australia sucks ass? Sorry I'm just bitter that a rally in my current home soil is so badly organized for spectators.
#bringbackNZ #AUSrallysucksmajordonkeynuts
Rant over! Back to work :)
Difference between a freak accident as what happened in MonteQuote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
To idiot "fans" or people who want to take a stupid selfie with a car flying past over 150kph on a corner or bend or small lift, to people not listening to marshals or the organization thus loosing their event due to their poor actions and immaturity let alone stupidity.
Monte was an accident.
Poland would have been, if it ever did an even worse, actual fault being blamed ON the person or people hit by/injured by a world rally car.
I don't know, but I saw quite a number of Fabias when I went there this year, driven by Argentines, Benito Guerra and Fuchs, who unfortunately we're completely trounced by Tidemand. There was even a national spec Ford Ka in the mix. Add to that the insane amount of spectators and the increible roads (I've never been to some place as awesome as El Cóndor filled with spectators who slept in their cars in my life) and Argentina deserves a spot. The atmosphere is amazing and the entry list isn't too bad. If the national championship ran all three days, it would be even bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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So when will the calander be final? Whit al this speculation here.. Now i'm getting really nervous to know.
FIA Motorsport Council, September 21st 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Duvel
Argentina must stay; great event, unique stages & scenery, massive local interest = a fantastic event.
NZ is similar; the best gravel roads in the world, stunning scenery, healthy local interest, and most important in my view, a small country with a great motorsport heritage, which punches well above its weight; McLaren, Hulme, Mauger, Crosby, Crafar, Dixon, van Gisbergen, Stanaway, Anstey, Hartley, Bamber et al....
In my view, any new event has to add something different to the WRC; simply having a large bag of Ģ$Ģ$Ģ$Ģ isn't enough - but that seems to be the No1 criteria nowadays.
If the FIA had a problem with the September gap why just not bring Australia back to it's original slot, it's not like it being a season Finale makes it better. As for the replacement of Poland, if you're going to bring Turkey as a replacement then why not put Turkey in Poland's date, what happened that suddenly it doesn't fit the schedule?...but of-course FIA needs to create new problems before it actually manages to solve the existing ones.
Where are you finding this info?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Word is that Turkey will be a September rally. It plugs one gap but another one opens up during June/July before Finland. But with all the higher profile sport going on during the summer I think it's less of an issue.
Also the FIA is not the one putting the calendar together, that's WRC Promoter. The FIA just has to sign off on it.
It's just my opinion, perhaps I should have made that clear beforehand, and my bad (it being the WRC Promoter & not the FIA putting the calendar together) so the WRC Promoter should know how to handle this sort of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I've always read that it's exactly the manufacturers that ship the cars from Mexico to Argentina...?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Recce cars and service trucks yes, after Argentina they sail to Australia and after that back home, where they soon leave for Mexico again... Competition cars are transported via air, overhauled before each event ( or a completely new chassis is flewn to the rally).
Thanks, I indeed just read articles about that, I got confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Finland itself is perhaps a poor market but it has many neighbours who visit it. ;) NZ has only cannibals and coconuts around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
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They commented that "all-Finnish" thing i believe and said that bigger markets like Asia etc consider all Europe as one so there`s no big difference who drives and where the event is held, as long as the result is good.
Like i said in one topic. Probably the policy for all the teams.
The internet is full of wonderful people....Quote:
Originally Posted by A FONDO
Having read this post I must reflect on my day out watching a rally and be very thankful that no cannibals have eaten me today. I am also very happy none of my friends or family have been eaten by cannibals today.Quote:
Originally Posted by A FONDO
I checked with other rally fans to find out how many rally fans have been eaten by cannibals, apparently it has never happened.
If you want to come to a rally in NZ you will be safe from Cannibals and have a great time.
I was once attacked buy an angry sheep, but never had issues with cannibals
Maybe it was a cannibal sheep. Who knows? :)
Ever see the movie 'Black Sheep'? Quite hilarious (in a very NZ way)Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/
It is a dangerous planet with plenty of potentially dangerous people. I apologise for being a realist. The most present danger to foreign tourists in NZ is the 'driving on the wrong side of the road' and adventure sports - parachuting, bungee jumping, skiing, atvs, horses, white water sports etc
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...terest-in-case
Wilder parts of the Pacific region.
https://youtu.be/XqkjRxzztJQ?t=29m