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The sprint version doesn't have the new start, it's more like a shortened version of last year's Torsby with just a short bit before joining the end part, which concludes all runs of Friday, Saturday and Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
what else could it be? Be sure to read my Ouninpohja trilogy on the blog ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
I know, that's why it called sprint ;) Starts just after the airport entry then. I think i have driven the new road once but i don't remember it had any good places.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Someone knows if possible to reach the start of Vargasen or it was close to spectators last years?
Thanks
Back in 2014 we wanted to get to the Vargasen stage at the start, but the road was closed here: https://www.google.at/maps/place/60°05'02.9"N+13°26'52.1"E/@60.0841389,13.4456169,457m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d60.0 841404!4d13.4478036
But back then that road was both route to start and from finish (Vargasen was longer in 2014). There were some people parking and walking in though.
Johan Kristoffersson, World RX Champion to start in Rally Sweden in Skoda Fabia R5.
Cool news. Glad to see him do the rally again. How has that worked then - has he taken over someone else's entry. Or organisers just let him in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
He was added as late entry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
You can PM me.Quote:
Originally Posted by baffo
Maybe it's a bit of 'off topic' what I'm gonna say but...
This will be my first time in Rally Sweden and as I am from southern europe I'm pretty afraid about the weather and, specifically, the COLD weather. So here I go, Which kind of wardrobe I need to bring in order not to get a flu? Thanks in advance.
I remember one Rallye Monte Carlo, where one friend from Madeira was with us. He was completely unprepared with cloths, for first time he saw the snow... ...and survire :) I can only recommend proper clothes - thermal underwear, winter shoes, winter trousers, winter coat, gloves, winter cap (you can buy an original one in Sweden too (http://rallysweden.com/wp-content/up...ch_staende.jpg).Quote:
Originally Posted by CivEngine
And these things are really good to have, stops you from getting snow in your shoes, especially good to have this year together with wooly socks.
https://www.gsport.no/produkt/142227...los+Gamasje+Jr.
Pluto answered already and I can second what he said. Dressing in layers is important. Long, thermal underwear, maybe a t-shirt and winter jacket + trousers is enough for walking from car to the spectating point. Something extra to wear when spectating, a fleece or a hoodie, it can be hours standing still. Woolly hat is a must (actually the official one is very good!), for hands gloves topped with mittens do the job. Good and warm shoes are the most important part - and a scarf.Quote:
Originally Posted by CivEngine
Spectating in winter is a lot about proper gear. It gets unpleasant if you get really cold. Digging a camp in the snow or diģging rally cars out of snow helps! At least food don't go bad in warmth, it may freeze however. Atmosphere on Rally Sweden stages is always superb. I'd suggest avoiding the biggest spectator areas and find your own spot in the forest, share it with a few other fans and enjoy the winter days outside. I'm sure you'll love it.
In my opinion you can overact with everything else, but not with the shoes. When spectating a winter rally, one thing you just must have are proper winter shoes and wool socks, otherwise you're doomed.
Do you have fotos from rally sweden stages.. Interesting to see snow conditions...
About clothes.. Just don't use any cotton stuff (especially socks or t-shirts). If it gets wet, it gets cold.
Pretty warm is merino woll. It keeps you warm even if it's wet. But expensive (=worth it).
Good shoes (Kamik i.e, or some goretex) to keep your feet dry and warm.
Cheers
Just out of curiosity, a question to Sweden-goers from more warm regions than the North: How much money you invest in proper winter clothing for the event or do you have all this ready in your closets?
Have a look at Rally Sweden Facebook and instagram pagesQuote:
Originally Posted by satukata
I can vouch for this brand. Winter boots serves me ten years already. With two pair of socks (one them wool socks) and these boots I have survived even minus 28 degrees quite well. I prefer model with removable inner boot which one is recommended to take out in evening to dry before next rally day.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallye-vid
New shoes (Kamik) 100€, some new merino stuff ~100€ and new trousers ~60€Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
I've spent quite a lot for my first Rally Sweden, but now going for the 5th time sure it is worth it. Some good jacket, pants and especially shoes are important. Most difficult is to keep warm on shakedown, as you're standing still for a very long time. A good tip can be to put some plastic (or tree branches) under your feet, to keep the snow away from your shoes. If it's really icy like 2 years ago, it can be handy to get some "spikes" for your shoes. They cost nearly nothing and you can buy them at most petrol stations. For those who forget something or have issues with shoes or anything else, it could be interesting to know there's some sports/outdoors store in Torsby not so far from service, at the ICA Supermarket (roundabout where E16 meets E45). We've needed it once for a friend who's shoes weren't waterproof enough.
But ok, I've never had really cold temperatures in Sweden, sure there are some guys with a lot of experience on this forum to tell more about it... ;)
can i ask something?the road positition on the first 2 days play a role?are there any road cleaning?
Thanks.
If there is fresh snow yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
There can be minimal roadcleaning or playing a snowplow. Winter roads... First passers also have to create a line each time, because national and historic use narrower tyres.
Everybody thinks they are smart..But after living I don't know how many winters in Sweden I often say "OK you think you're smart and the brain is important...Try this: freeze your feet and tell me how well you can think."Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
On shoes....make sure there is plenty of room..Air is insulator...Try the shoes with the correct socks and feet not JAMMED in...If too small by 1/2 size it smooshes the wool....foot in contact with outside of shoe and you freeze foot and brain stops functioning.
Brain stops functioning and you do stupid things. Like punching the gas on transits and getting a little sideways for 2 seconds.
then there will be international scandals in the worlds press.
I say this as somebody who win the transit over 9 other cars leaving parking in Sweden spectator area back to main road... 15km and started maybe 10 position...by the last long downhill into 1st.. Handbrake turn for last ^ onto main road.....and first car I see coming other way was cop car. Thank god he don't see because Swedish Polis are specially chosen for extra low intelligence.....in other countries they would be in a nice comfortable place with rubber walls but there it is employment...they get very excited...be relentlessly cheerful, thank them for being very nice and helpful for explaining things and ask them LOTS of complicated questions---like directions, museum opening times, act very pleasant but stupid...(All Swedes think everybody else is some degree stupider..English -10%, Norwegians -90%, Finns -110%, everybody else even stupider...so make them happy)
So to review...good socks, maybe thin by the skin then THICK wool and lots of space.
And depending on temp, an umbrella...worst thing in the world is standing in snow on feet in the rain at +2-5*
In your opinion who is gonna win Rally Sweden? Toyota first win last year and considering they have really good quick car this year or maybe Thierry Neuville - he was leading almost whole rally last year.
Talking boots for Rally Sweden:
Have you heard of Tay Sport from Muck Boot Company?
Is absolutely the warmest winther boot I´ve ever had. And that says a lot my friends. Bought it in a hunting store in my hometown. Buy one number bigger, as Jan VanVurpa says. Satisfaction Guaranteed. ;)
To stay warm you need to spend a lot, no other option:)
Who's going? I'll be there.
Wow! Quite impressed with the total amount of responses here! I appreciate that! Thank you very much!
I have more or less everything under control by now. Proper jacket-trousers-thermal first layer... and boots. May be I'll take your advice and go for good socks!
Can't wait to be there enjoying the rally and the country. Fingers crossed to stay dry and warm! :)
Wait! you guys "like" what I say? About "winning" the transit from spectator area?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I was in a Citroen...Like this:
http://idata.over-blog.com/4/55/66/6...oen-C15D-3.jpg
And like this weekend I choose tarmac tires, almost slicks.... (to a cop you say ''Hur så utsliten? Det finns knappt en repa på dom''...which is more or less ''How do you mean worn out? There hardly a mark on them''
God I hope I didn't create a scandal....I was driving a Citroen, I hope I didn't hurt their reputation and cause a loss of sales since I represented them by owning one and driving like that. (With a 1,3 motor you have to get close and hold the inside line. left turns were best because if I just drive tighter line I could get next to them in the corner...and they would give up so just a little throttle and complete the pass. left was good so I could see the edge of the road and see how much inside I could place the wheels..)
Oh my! You should have your license revoked! We can't have that on the roads!Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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Such a behaviour! I might report you to AnttiK7.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
It's not easy to say, if there is a snowfall right before the start, it will be a disadvantage starting first, if it snows during the stage, it's all depending on how much it snows. If the roads are completely clean, it can be an advantage running first. There was a couple of years with VW where Ogier complained about running first in Sweden, but the fact was, he had the best conditions. As the roads were solid, no snow on top, and for each car that passed, the studs ripped out some ice"dust" that made it slightly worse for the next car.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
I use my alpine-clothing with long underwear. So, I pair upQuote:
Originally Posted by CivEngine
http://bpc.h-cdn.co/assets/17/44/480...base-layer.jpg
With
http://www.thesnowboardshop.co.uk/im...6160_image.jpg
And jump in to these shoes
https://i.imgur.com/wYGGRBp.jpg
Jacket-wise it depends on the temperature really, I tend to carry two just in case. And of course a beanie or something to keep your head warm.
While the pants can look and feel like they will get to hot, I find that the alpine/snowboard pants are extremely comfortable to wear, they also tend to have many small zippers you can open up to get a bit of air in (not directly to your underwear, but opening up the outer layer of the clothing). And this way you will avoid overheating and sweating.
It's also a bit better to start out without the warmest clothes (if you have more stuff with you). As it is easier to realize that you will get a bit cold, and put on something a bit thicker/warmer. Than if you start out with too much clothing, and start to sweat. That sweat will get cold, and then it doesn't matter what you do, if you remove clothes to get normal temperature, or put on more clothes, you will stay cold due to the sweat.
On the bright side though. It's a myth that you get a cold/flu from being cold. You need to be in contact with the virus. So being cold is just not a good feeling, but it won't make you sick. If you have contacts with loads of people and so on, you will have a bigger risk, but just from being cold, you won't get sick! :)
Lastly, welcome to the snowy rally, do you know that stages you will go to?
Drinking beer in same can as your mates is not troublefree either for getting a cold. Even worse drinking from a complete strangers can. Can be a lot of that, meeting other fans out on stages!! ;) ;)
In addition to double socks, I have been using those single use toe warmers between the socks at Rally Sweden: https://www.amazon.com/HotHands-Toe-.../dp/B0007ZF4PE
They have also set for gloves which I used too some times when there was windchill: https://www.amazon.com/HotHands-Hand...ZM2Y2E9D1E1S04
I'm sure each fisherman shop is selling them all around the world.
Yup, I actually don't use double socks, or woolen socks. Just a bit thick normal ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by STI69
These heatpads does work for heat, just again, be careful to not get so hot that you start to sweat, or use so many that your body decided to cool down from "overheating" :)
In case you are wondering about the snow conditions this gives current map with updates each day (including history) and forecasts, it's for Norway but covers the whole rally area.
http://www.senorge.no/?p=senorgeny&m...30&fh=0%3B2468
(use the switches on left)
Makinen added that he was already looking forward to going up against Ogier on ground more familiar for Toyota.
“It’s tougher for Ogier to win in Sweden, this is our territory,” he said. “Our drivers are thinking this: we know Sweden, we compare last year’s car and we know where we are – we are stronger. The others are too, but we know where we are. We compare last year’s suspension parts, for example, and we know the work we have done since last year, it’s a lot better now.
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/ne...-says-makinen/
Certainly Sweden and Finland are the two rallies where Toyota is likely to be the strongest. Just like last year when they won both events.
That said last year after Sweden they had 4 rallies without podium (all due to being too slow) and after Finland they again were not on podium for last 4 rallies (only good pace was in Australia).