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Suggested rally start order. Monte Carlo - start seedings from previous year's WRC, and day finishing order.
Round 2 -Day 1 - Marble from hat from Championship order for first 10 WRC cars. (Might mix things up get younger drivers directly behind Ogier etc to learn his lines and braking points.)
Day 2 - Marble from hat for first 10 on order of day 1 stage times.
Day 3 - Run on order after day2
or alternatively run 3 high hp 0 ,00 , 000 cars through to remove gravel/ snow before stage start..
Ogier would still complain that their lines aren't good enough for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
The marble draw idea could work, mixes things up a bit and means no driver can claim to be unfairly affected by the rule.
Any sport where you have Marble draw decreases the sports integrity. It's the World Rally Championship. Its not a club 'fun' event, it's the pinnacle of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
I vote for current way. This will give Ogier at least four or five wins/season and others can share the rest. If they change it, VW boys will have more then 10 wins/season and maybe something for the others. Not interesting.
The zero cars have a job to do, so that would require additional cars to run though. I'm not sure where they would come from. The lines that Ogier takes are different to most other drivers, therefore there is no clearing done until lots of cars have gone through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
It's completely unfair, but I actually agree. Seeing people other than Ogier win rallies, has made me fall in love with WRC again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
This has a lot of merit, but it was tried a while back? even without splits it may throw up some silly go slow tactics?. I still like the shootout after Shakedown, was always a great start to the rally, although it needs to a representative stage, non micky-mouse or tarmac on a gravel rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Yeah it was the slowing tactics and teams' over manipulation that killed it before. But like I said there are no splits nowadays and so drivers wouldn't know whether others had backed off or pushed on. And you'd never get the case where a co-driver is counting down a driver into the finish. It would be gambling and guesswork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda
That's why I said for a season it might be interesting to see. They were doing all this stuff in the late nineties/early 2000s which is seen as one of the golden periods of the sport. So I think it's worth another look.
Of course. 2001 Cyprus/Acropolis at least. No need for splits when someone outside near stage end can show a board with the time to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoda
That's now against the regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/2016/in...deltia/286-wrc Acropolis will try to return to WRC next year.
If Greece comes back, I'm going 100%!
Better than going half... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Taking N.O.T. with you as photographers assistant?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I might even consider visiting if the stages are proper.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
I think it is time for the organiser to impose a ticket for the whole event, not something retarded like the british and their bogey times but something that will be both cheap for everyone to follow but also to bring some much needed funds to the organisers. I would say 20 euros for all three days including service park access and the SSS or 5 euros per day without access to service and the SSS. they can have 5 euro tickets for the SSS (for all the times that is going to run) and just the service for each day.
I can point him to all the hairpins he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
Errrrrrrrrrrr
Well maybe... If they're dusty and rocky!!! :D
well most pro photographers have no clue about the sport, i have never seen a single pro photographer being in a spot that offers any proper action (apart from some jumps that are well known to every pleb in the world).Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
you are worthless 99.9% of you, your skills at post processing and getting the colours right and everything is really good but when it comes to the actual sport you are literally garbage, and the sad thing is the older you get the more garbage you become, i have seen some photographers who are granpas waiting for mr death to come any moment and they occupy the most useless generic spots in the history of generic spots. I have no explanation for it.
Will Loutraki be the HQ again?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Well, there was Richard Balint who I've often seen on interesting places (try to google WRC face to face, he made some yearbooks which were really nice). He knew how to make and edit great photos, for me he was probably the best WRC photographer. Anyone who knows what happened to him? It seems like he stopped last year, I think a year after he started working together with André Lavadinho...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
But I do agree that many of the professional photographers have no clue about rallying, and that's not just about picking the places to shoot their photos. I've been standing next to plenty of WRC photographers, some do like to talk as if they know everything and have all inside info (that inside info often comes from inside their own head I think). Once I was next to one who didn't understand that 208 (R2) and DS3 (R3) are not the same category... A few years ago I was a bit envious against those WRC photographers, travelling the world and having one of the greatest jobs. But during last years I've seen enough. Travelling with 4 in one car, all going to the same media point together (usually to end up with similar photos), then discussing where to go to eat (obviously where it's for free, at some media lounge of a WRC team, or where it's very cheap, like some mc donalds) all 4 together... If the job would properly pay for them, they obviously wouldn't all travel together and compromise in terms of photo quality and own comfort.
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
The worst thing is that they do not seem to be passionate about the sport itself, they do not do any recce of the stages they are going to visit, probably to keep the cost low, i doubt they earn a living if they are not affiliated with an agency like Giggigallino1 who is affiliated with a VERY WELL KNOWN ONE and he is the big boss in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Its a pity because their post processing is trully phenomenal at least on a few of them, but this is rallying, i want to see action not mountains,sunsets and flowers and abandoned houses and tanks (since germany is closing by). Maybe its because the turned a hobby into a job and got fed up with it.
On the subject of photography this was posted last week about Colin (McKlein) McMaster. Some people might find it interesting - http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/...ampaign=buffer
beautiful shots artistically but the guy is clueless at choosing a spot, will anyone remember the photo of tanak between the confetti in a years time ? let alone 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
They are not rally photographers, they are wedding photographers who like to travel.
I never liked Colin's wedding photography. Too much pace...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I think this is a problem also for other professional around WRC. Starting with the misterious people behind WRC+ and the ones behind live coverage and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I think only the radio guys are a bit involved in what they are talking about (even if they can improve as well).
the WRC+ guys and the TV guys are a disgrace as employees... they deserve to be on the dole, it is a cruel thing to say and i would never say such a thing for anyone on a serious note, but these guys are just the reincarnation of incopmetence.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
same clueless too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
The radio guys are like civil servants for the WRC, the service they provide is needed (especially the end stage interviews) but the way they do it is unattractive and boring, i stopped listening around 5-6 years ago maybe more i cannot remember since the only reason was the end stage interviews but since we get these through rally-base now there is no need for that ear pollution.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Just as a side note. Maybe this photo/video talk should be split from the News & Rumours thread?
I agree that most people filming professionally rallying are pretty useless at it. It's like everyone can film something, yet only a few are capable of creating films with stunning cinematography. I haven't filmed any rally since 2014 Finland - the rally where last of my gear got destroyed. So instead filming I spent the time spectating and guiding my friend, who was completely rookie at filming rallies, tho he had decent filming experience.
It took 2 days to get the shot to look nice and we didn't even get to discussing what spots are best for filming as I was busy attempting to kill my second GoPro and taking 360 photos on film.
I go on and on about TV as that's my field of work, but the short answer is that there really aren't many rally fans who could make the step to the pro level. So in a way it's a lose-lose scenario. One thing I liked in the McMaster article was that local and national events are good practice grounds. Practice makes perfect or what's the saying.
we had a german guy Darkstar many years back i think but he disappeared (check youtube his work was amazing), amateur filmographers like KKS, bunnings and rallymedia.nl should be hired as advisors to the WRC TV crews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
I think this is a bit too harsh. I guess I know what you mean to say. Me for example, I would like to listen to some proper analysis of what is going on during the rally by highly competent people but still I think they are more competent than other collegues on other fields and at least you can see/listen they care about the sport and actually like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
According to rumors Kubica could be back in a rally car At Rally Coppa Città di Lucca (Tuscany) with a Clio S1600 this weekend.
:)
will they change gearing system?Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
What I wrote is all I know. I will keep you up to date if I discover more.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcosg
Please consider it is just a rumor and I am not certain about the source. :)
It seems it is true Kubica will enter the rally but nothing is official because he has to get the approval for the different gearing system.