Hyundai said that they are here to win the titles, not to please the drivers. And if Thierry would need to back off they will probably tell him to do that. Well drivers are employers and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Hyundai said that they are here to win the titles, not to please the drivers. And if Thierry would need to back off they will probably tell him to do that. Well drivers are employers and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Well at least that's not possible on rally stages.... ohh wait (*looks at Meeke*)Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
can you fill in the gaps? I dont know what you are saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
.@ElfynEvans has time penalty at final control of @RallySweden so @SebOgier moves from 11th to 10th pos in overall standings and gains an extra point. https://t.co/WILkaVZPHy
Well can't wait to see that crying faces of all, seb, evans, m-sport, ford when Neuville will end all of this playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Why do You think he will under-perform in TdC. He is actually quite good on asphalt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Bitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Thats "smart" but isnt that a bit overeaction on only second event. Not a fan of such pratiks
Well, firstly he (and everyone else ofc) has to finish. Saying that he will be WDC and everyone else are to blame for his mistakes, isn`t the real thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
But good rally from him this weekend nevertheless, happy for Citroen and Breen, probably boosted their motivation quite a bit.
Now the wdc results look after 2 rounds more normal. Many possibilities in the end, none of the favorites are really hooked.
no surprise what evans did... the welsh are the best lap dogs in the world.
But didn`t he fail in that? Can`t see the point in that, apart from a real reason or a miscalculation. :D
Since we're in "dog" mode, what the greek dogs are good at?
If you don't know how drop your reputation - just invite some french idiot to your team.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Malcolm completely lost his mind at old age.
But Malcolm picked 2 tropheys last year. Isn't that what every team is fighting for?Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
You can win by killing a sport. Is that what every team is fighting for? Nope, only one where one sick french be part of the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I don't think he'll underperform at TdC, it is just not as representative an event as e.g. Mexico, Argentina and Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Just refresh your memory. Malcolm has playing that kind of games for ages. Heck, they had even team orders on the first rally in 2004, when Duval was not allowed to retake the 2nd position from Märtin.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
It was a protest, no rules broken and the one he did, he accepted his punishment.
Congratulations to Craig Breen. Had wanted Andreas Mikkelsen had been
made the CITROEN TOTAL ABU DHABI WRT, they could be a winner this year.
But they didn't brake any rules, how's that killing the sport? Tactics and strategy has been always part of any sport, if something gives You advantage, You use it, if it's not forbidden of course, though we've seen plenty examples of the latter too, e.g. cars not complying with the rules, doping, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Last year Evans had his engine swapped and that cost him a lot of time. He made a 2nd quickest time on the second Friday gravel stage. After that he had to sweep the road. Anyway, I'm not expecting much from Evans this year but this could be his chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Sordo also lost a bunch of time with technical problems last year but made some very good stage times, and seems to be good on this type of gravel events.
So Msport made clear that only mission for Evans this year is to help secure Ogiers 6th title. Pffff...
That's nothing unusual for the second driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakem
Didn't have time to follow the rally very closely except live timing on my phone and it took me two hours to read the forum from Friday night till now :D
Thanks everyone for photos, videos and any interesting information!
Again, do we know, what was the reason for that delay? Like protocol says, nothing changed in the overall classification. And yes, in the end there have been, are and always will be team strategies. In every team.
E: Saw the right protocol now and i was wrong.
I assume you’ve only just started following rallying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakem
It’s perfectly normal, especially when it’s 99% more likely that one driver will out perform and our score the other during a year.
Evans has so far performed exactly like i expected....not better, not worse
They didn't brake rules - it's true. But they braking rally as a friendly sport, where all respect each other. You of course can bring f1 or other circuit racing spirit, where all hate each ohter, and their method of getting an advantage, but I think it's a wrong way for rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
BTW it's forbidden to fell the tree on the stage after your cars passing? No such article in rules, so when Malcolm will take up that "advantage"?
C`mon, it was just 1 point, Ogier was clearly faster than Evans and fought hard for that place. PS scheme also means that its tighter at the front, again, good for the sport. We saw that several drivers had to fight too hard for place at the end of Top10, all capable of winning it. If something, then it was that 6 km of unploghed snow and the question, whether WRC priority cars should contest together with historic class, as they are too different and create a big mess. Big effort from drivers, mechanics...teams in general, lots of money spent, stupid fans across the world calling them worthless, car brand worthless etc. Now that`s not honest.
Who said they are not friends and don't respect each other? Competition is one thing, friendship and respect another. I can give You plenty of examples from other sports - for instance in cycling a rider is "hiding" behind someone else in his air stream to save energy for later, in circuit racing we have similar situation with chasing driver use air stream from the front driver to overtake him, this is completely normal and no one had ever complained about it, it is just how the way it is, You find Your best position for You at this moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
No. There was just 1point on the table and I never thought Msport makes such a decision so early in season. I know that Evans is 100% second driver, but come on let him also collect some points. Ok this 1 point could be important for Ogier in the end of season MAYBE. But Ogier starting later to powerstage and now this 1 point from Evans, looks funny and shows that Ogier is very scared allready now not to take the 6th title? Interesting 2018 season ahead!Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
I think the situation depends greatly on whether the whole thing was orchestrated or of Ogier helped himself without telling the team. In the first case it's only fair for Evans to receive another penalty to give Ogier his place back, but if Ogier acted alone it's not right to push Evans back again.
On a related note, might the Fiesta be the slowest car this year? The Yaris has the speed to tussle with the i20's and the C3, while difficult to drive, has been doing well. The Fiesta hasn't set the world on fire with it's speed so far.
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I don't think Evans will have anything against that decision in any case. Ogier was clearly faster than him up to this point fair and square. It is only gain for the whole team to play tactics in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Imo it has as much to do with Ogier being the only top driver in fiesta on both rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Define top driver? Suninen did very well albeit with mistakes, as would be expected (very much like a new Latvala).Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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I love that some of you guys live in a bubble where rally is a "novel sport". Maybe you are too young to remember in the 90s drivers delibarately dropping time in the final stage of each day so as to not be cleaning the road the next morning. Flexing the rules was and will always be part of the sport (or any sport).
My definition:Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Regularly can score top 3 times atm.
Right now these are (in no particular order): Ogier, Neuville, Tanak, Latvala, Mikkelsen, (and almost Lappi), Meeke (as a driver, but C3+Meeke combo doesn't count)
May be too early to judge that (it seems new evolution is coming in next rallies or so), last year was a similar situation, Hyundai was faster right from the start at Monte and continued to do so in Sweden, where we also saw the Toyota potential, Ogier IIRC was struggling quite a lot in Sweden last year. For sure it was the most reliable car throughout the year. If they can bring the consistency with better performance, nothing to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij