Who is Hyundai's WRC Team Principal ANDREA ADAMO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppPgW8OKigA
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Who is Hyundai's WRC Team Principal ANDREA ADAMO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppPgW8OKigA
Hyundai turns to Ricardo for WRC Hybrid push
https://www.racetechmag.com/2021/04/...c-hybrid-push/
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...ai-on-asphalt/
Strange that they fail to mention that he is the 3rd tarmac WRC winner with similar issues in the car.
Also strange that many fail to recognise that Sordo has bren rather quick with the car on asphalt. Think Tänak will come good with the car but that the blame is on Neuville is getting pretty tiresome.
i didnt see him blame Neuville or what do you mean? at the end of the rally i would say he said rather good about Neuville sayin that "we see that Thierry can show pace/drive with the car"
About Sordo yeah i agree, he is the second driver that can show good times with it on tarmac. Maybe Sordo and Neuville have similar driving styles and set-up? i remember in Sardegna last year when Neuville kinda struggled one morning and later he said he took Sordos set-up for the afternoon and liked it.
i would say there are some positives also to take from Croatia for Ott, saturday was the longest loop with 121kms and he lost 13.6 secs to Ogier with the whole day. On Friday he lost 15 secs alone with SS3. what i mean is that it seems they at least took some kind right direction on saturday.
On Friday Ott was on wrong tyres. To me it seemed it didn’t improve much during the weekend. He wasn’t bad per se, but failed to fight the top three and was occasionally even slower than Fourmaux.
I think Sordo has been similarly 95% quick as Tänak here. Sordo has also a relatively high number of offs on tarmac since 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
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Originally Posted by BigWorm
Sordo used to be a tarmac specialist. Now since start of 2017 he has 2!!! podiums on tarmac and only one on 100% tarmac rally (second is from Catalunya). He often is somewhere around in speed and crashes yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I don't really see other people or myself blaming Neuville for making the car like that. Just saying that Neuville is the only one getting consistently good tarmac results/speed. What can be questioned is whether Hyundai does not prioritize to change the car cause Neuville is fast with it as it is. That isn't really Neuville's fault though.
I do not have high hopes how Tanak will suddenly make the car work to fight for wins on tarmac. Loeb didn't even with massive testing and lots of extra (non-WRC) rallies. Mikkelsen didn't (without massive testing and extra rallies).
Tanak gets extra rallies and massive testing and then comes from Croatia saying he doesn't really know what to do (article).
We have basically been having this same discussion for 3 years now! After 3 years I don't believe in sudden miracles.
One thing that is sure is that Tanak correctly identifies this as the likely main problem for his title chances this year, with 3 tarmac-only rallies coming up.
Tänak today to estonian media at press event
"I'm just the driver and I have the vision of how this car should drive. How it is technically possible, it is unfortunately not in my hands "
Will smaller rallies, which are not included in the World Cup calendar, can help to make the car more comfortable for you? "First of all, all the information we learnt during the rally has to be worked through. From there, we can draw conclusions and see if we can make it better to tune this car for me or not. If we don't have much to do, then the extra kilometers will not give anything, but if we have something to do, I think we will drive small rallies, "said Tänak.
It could be some major things in the car geometry or anything needing a big homologation update. Also remember how Citroen used to be a fast tarmac car in 2017, then they made the car better on gravel and suddenly in 2019 it wasn't a fast tarmac car anymore!Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Anyway, this was my fear when Tänak joined Hyundai, he won't be able to fight for the title anymore especially on a season with this many tarmac rallies. We didn't yet get to see it last year when the calendar was so exceptional, but now there's four full tarmac rallies planned.
In Tour de Corse 2017 he was third. On three stages he was second, the rest were 4-6th positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In Deutschland 2017 he went off on the fourth stage. He won a couple of stages (including Panzerplatte and some of the fast countryside stages), on the rest he was mostly outside top 5. Road position had its effect, restarting on Saturday and Sunday put him behind other WRC cars but on the power stage he started earlier.
In Catalunya 2017 it was all top 5 stage times and another power stage win, except that he broke the steering (in the same place as Mikkelsen).
In Tour de Corse 2018 he was struggling with the setup and understeer, only one 5th position in stage times, the rest slower.
In Deutschland 2018 he was off the pace on all stages except Panzerplatte, where he won both the long runs and was 1st and 2nd on the short ones. Also complaining about understeer and bad feeling with the car. Crash on Sunday.
In Catalunya 2019 it was raining and Sordo seemed to be off the pace, losing even the rally lead. On Sunday he was third fastest after the Sebs.
In Croatia I carefully watched Tanak's car live in a variety of corners. I know some suspension design basics and stuff but I'm definitely no expert. I have a question for the Czech automotive engineer guy, do you think changing the roll center of a WRC car involves homologation issues?
What I noticed from watching, again I'm no expert, but I think given the slightest change of grip, dirty road, off-camber, or etc, the Hyundai immediately understeers. I feel like the roll centers, or better yet the roll axis is majorly f-ed up on this car.
Unless there's maximum grip from the tires, the car fails to get the initial grip caused by chassis roll, looks way too geometrically stiff and just skids. I guess there's someone more competent than me around here to discuss this theory.
Maybe this also explains Breen's lack of pace in Croatia. A driver who loves tarmac...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Not on a similar level though, Breen was never super quick in the C3 WRC which was a fast tarmac car in 2017 and 2018 when he drove it. But Breen’s Croatia comments confirm the same problem, he’s not comfortable.
Surprisingly many comments from Tänak about the car and that there is no point of extra testing if they don't find/solve the real issue..
Perhaps hyundai should try new young drivers who have not setteled in a driving style yet.
Older, experienced drivers often seem to be less able to drive around problems. Instead relying on changes in the setup to get it right.
They started with Loubet last year and now Solberg. You could also say that switching Loeb with Breen is similar.
2 problems with that though:
- Not every young driver can be race winner / champion ( Imagine MSport saying they don't want Ogier in 2017 and going for title with Camilli (Ogier wasn't happy with the car for first 5 minths). Actually Citroen did just that, didn't get Ogier and said they didn't want Latvala or Mikkelsen going with Breen +Lefvebre instead, didn't work)
- The car is out by the end of this year, for next few years they need to make the new car suit the drivers that are available for them and that can chase for championships
Remember also that both Neuville and Tänak have their contracts ending this year. Maybe both want to secure the contract early in order to make sure they get to develop the new car up to their likings?
True. Hyundai didn't let Neuville test the 17 car early as he wasn't signed up until later in 2016 . Abbring, Sordo and Paddon did the testing initially before Thierry signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think we'll see Toyota and Hyundai trying to tie up some of their drivers earlier in the year - instead of leaving it later for that reason.
Hyundai wont want Tanak in the car with the possibility of him then leaving to Msport or Toyota etc with vital data
on the other side, I would want all the good I can take from a good developer...Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
TECH GURU LORIAUX LEAVES M-SPORT FOR HYUNDAI
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tech-...t-for-hyundai/
This is big news! Looks like Tänak will stay with Hyundai then...Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I was surprised to read he was still at M-Sport. Didn't hear anything about him for years.
Same, my impression is that he wasn't directly involved in rally car development in last 5 years at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Maybe he goes to a more "development manager" position.
I don't see this being a big factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by sti123
Chris Williams has been the lead on the M-Sport rally cars for many years.
And a tech person joining Hyundai doesn't also solve Tanak's problems with the boss....
Is M-Sport only team where he hasn´t had problems with BOSS ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Tänak has problems with Adamo? :O
Oh he had problems with Malcolm as well, just it was the opposite kind of problem with Malcolm not being satisfied with him and with his performances. Haven't recalled any problems with Adamo, just quite the opposite, even in Croatia before leaving service Adamo hugged Ott and from the outside seems to be all well but it could be deceiving.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
But on the other hand as mentioned here before I have heard that Ott doesn't rank the competence of the Hyundai team very highly. It just as well could be a hearsay as it has come to me through many sources in between and could be lost in translation so I haven't taken these stories very seriously though
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Can you elaborate please?Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
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It's not so straightforward when we don't know the backgrounds. Some reports say the Hyundai Rally1 car is already tested secretly, some say it will never happen, how could a main designer change anything at this point, let alone design from scratch, when the homologations should be finalized by July 1? Or is he still of help in the additional development process? I'm not familiar with the guy's work.
Looking at the bigger picture, what if Louriaux replaces Adamo?
I suspect two big characters like them would clash easily.
No. It's in his DNS. Nothing has changed since he started as a teenager in local "Syrus Rally Team". This cooperation didn't end without disagreements let's say so, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Well to be fair the guys who teached him were often slower than him in the EVO's while he was driving a FWD Clio. But yes, stubborn person to say the least. But this is general characterisation of people from Saaremaa.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
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Well at this pace he won't have any manufacturers left
the Syrus thing was, how to say....
they wanted to teach him how to drive and if i remember correctly they also gave him car with old parts and then later blamed Ott for braking the parts.
this is how i at least remember it but i could be wrong, i remember on guy in EE forum telling all the things back in the day.
but its true that he is hard to work with, they say it in the movie too but i understand that the "hard" part is that he demands a lot but how it really is in the team, dunno
the fact is it doesnt look good if every team says you are hard to work with
different positions/jobs.Not a problem imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Comon, maybe he was bad boy in kinder garden also;). He is 2019 champ, only problem in Syrus and everywere before was just that he wanted to win everyting and right now, his motivation was higher than experience. Thats why he is champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
It shouldn't be a problem, remember Penasse is also working for Hyundai and he also is a big caracter.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loria...ort-in-racing/
Despite agreeing terms with Hyundai Motorsport, Christian Loriaux will continue to work at M-Sport, focusing on the company’s racing side for two weeks out of every month. For the other half of the time, he’s the Alzenau team’s engineering consultant.
Well, even weirder.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS